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Re: 37signals becomes Basecamp

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post #40

is it just me or they are saying 'in other words' that only basecamp succeeded and most other products failed ? otherwise why not just bring in more devs instead of focusing on one product.

Campfire and Highrise are not failures at all. They generate millions a year in profits. They just aren't our focus anymore. We want to focus all of our energy on one thing, not multiple things. Nothing more than that. No hidden agendas or hidden news.

So what does this mean for the future of Campfire and Highrise?

Re: 37signals becomes Basecamp

#132

It still escapes me why this recent trend of naming companies with the names of products "for brand recognition" (the other obvious example is 10gen to become MongoDB Inc.) It would be interesting to see other companies do that in the past: - "Microsoft is going to become Windows Inc" - "Apple Computers will be known from now on as iPod Ltd" - "The new name of the company will be Air Jordan & Co. Nike no more!"

I think it all depends. What 37signals have done makes sense because outside of the tech arena "37signals" is perhaps a confusing and difficult name/identity. I guess also because Basecamp has eventually become their flagship product they are primarily identified by it. You can trace this evolution in the blog post: "37signals was founded back in 1999 as a web design firm. With the release of Basecamp in 2004, we beg…

Microsoft is an awful company name, that back in the day could make a little sense, but it lost it a long time ago.

But it doesn't matter because they made successful products and could develop a recognisable brand...

Re: 37signals becomes Basecamp

#135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Campfire and Highrise are not failures at all. They generate millions a year in profits. They just aren't our focus anymore. We want to focus all of our energy on one thing, not multiple things. Nothing more than that. No hidden agendas or hidden news.

So what does this mean for the future of Campfire and Highrise?

Check out the FAQ: http://37signals.com/

Re: 37signals becomes Basecamp

#136
post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Talent and know how"? Seriously? Is writing a webchat client some black dark art? There's nothing much you need to know to write a webchat client. Campfire isn't high volume, so it doesn't need to be too efficient either. Last time I checked campfire processes a few messages a second. Heck you could rewrite it in PHP/MySQL if you were that way inclined. Campfire didn't succeed because it was a good product. It succe…

Your arm chair quarterbacking is adding oh so much to the conversation. Are we really back to the childish argument of "this is so easy to build, would just take a few minutes"?

I'm not sure it's quite arm chair quarterbacking. I've written a few webchat clients.

The point is, if you bought campfire, all you'd really be buying is the existing customer base.

Re: 37signals becomes Basecamp

#137
Very interesting. 2 observations:

1) Will they lose the ability to experiment as a one product company?

2) "If we can't find the right partner or buyer, we are committed to continuing to run the products for our existing customers forever." This is very impressive. Forever is a long time, and comes with a real cost if you're not putting in new users.

Bravo for a successful company to be willing to make big strategic moves.

Re: 37signals becomes Basecamp

#138
post #99

I had just signed up for Highrise but haven't started implementing it yet. Sounds like the product will live on but I wouldn't mind some recommendations for alternatives if anybody has some. I've used both Salesforce and SugarCRM and they seem a bit overkill for my use.

Zurmo?

Re: 37signals becomes Basecamp

#139
post #46

10 years after they released Basecamp and apparently it's still their "best idea". This explains why every 37signals blogpost I read was so devoid of good ideas. One hit wonders.

I remember DHH talking about this on a podcast once i.e. for most super-successful companies, the lion's share of their of their PROFITS (not usage or revenue w/o profit) have typically come from 1 or 2 core products.

Think of Google and AdWords, Microsoft and Windows/Office, Amazon and their e-commerce business, etc. These companies all have lots of other successful products, each of which is used by millions of people and may generate lots of revenue, but at the end of the day their actual profits come from their 1 core product.

Apple is the most recent example of a company that has successfully been able to create multiple different product lines that were extremely profitable on their own.

So saying that Basecamp is 37Signals' "one good idea" is not a knock on them at all. It simply puts them in the same league as any other super-successful company.

P.S. DHH is an unabashed capitalist and he's gone on the record many times saying that he'd rather be part of a company valued at $100 million that takes home $10's of millions home in profit every year vs a company valued at $1 billion that takes home minimal or no profits every year (e.g. Groupon). I'm assuming that this sentiment is shared by others at 37Signals as well.

Re: 37signals becomes Basecamp

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The talent and know-how? I thought we were already past the "why buy it if you can copy it".

"Talent and know how"? Seriously? Is writing a webchat client some black dark art? There's nothing much you need to know to write a webchat client. Campfire isn't high volume, so it doesn't need to be too efficient either. Last time I checked campfire processes a few messages a second. Heck you could rewrite it in PHP/MySQL if you were that way inclined. Campfire didn't succeed because it was a good product. It succe…

When campfire came out there was no competition.
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