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Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by Corrado »

Did anyone else notice the way that they are dressed? There is not a single tie anywhere in any of the pictures. Even the people in the background are dressed casually. I can't ever remember a CEO of a major corporation not being fully outfitted in formal office attire, Steve Jobs not withstanding.

I take this to mean that Microsoft is aiming to be hip and cool. That's not a bad thing, if they really mean it and can pull it off. I hate the coat & tie thing when it dictates what I can do and my level of political influence. Those things should be decided by my ability to think and reason, not where I shop for clothes.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by girvo »

spiderPig wrote: post #415
shanselman wrote: post #412

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Things are pretty open now, but we're going to open things up as much as we can. As for buying them, why mess up a good thing?

Ah just so they have access to the vast resources and become 1st party libraries. Mono is not known in most of the linux world and Microsoft support would be a significant boost. Businesses would also be hesitant to support it adopt it unless Microsoft is backing the platform.

The fact that Mono is a reimplementation of something Microsoft did actually went against it for a lot of *nix people. Which is dumb and stupid, but hey, after Embrace Extend Extinguish, everyone got kinda jumpy. So, Microsoft purchasing it would be a hard sell, IMO.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by pippy »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #453
Touche wrote: post #439

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I suggest open sourcing Windows. Put it on GitHub with a permissive license and accept pull requests. The internet will blow up, you'll instantly win back all of the developer mindshare that has been lost over the years.

You obviously have no concept of what the windows source looks like. Putting it on github would be a massive technical challenge alone.

I was under the impression what he posted was a joke.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by yaeger »

z5h wrote: post #233

"Our industry does not respect tradition — it only respects innovation." ... "Our job is to ensure that Microsoft thrives in a mobile and cloud-first world." Catching up to the current state of things does not sound like innovation.

Also, "mobile" and "cloud first" is a sure fire way to continue with Windows decline with every new version they put out. If they really continue down that road, you can bet your behind that Win7 will put XP to shame regarding longevity. There is no need to "wait for Win9" if that is their way forward. Nothing needs to be "cloud first". Especially no Desktop OS. But MS currently still has problems acknowledging this fact. Unless the new CEO changes that, Win7 will stay put. Period. And a guy coming from Enterprise should know that. But since he also comes from "the cloud", it is about a 50:50 chance he'll actually do the right thing.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by girvo »

angryasian wrote: post #331
andrewfong wrote: post #297

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And Google has an absurd share of the search market, with which they can make or break (and have made or broken) all sorts of businesses. Consumers can choose not to use Google, but businesses can't opt out of how they're listed. The Office formats, for all their quirks, are open and documented. There's no one forcing you to use MS Office. You probably can't switch which OS you're using at work, but Windows is fairly…

>businesses can't opt out of how they're listed. This makes 0 sense. You can absolutely opt out, but wouldn't every business want to be at the top. I imagine if someone comes up with a better page ranking algorithm they definitely have a shot at beating google. >bundling I think its referred to single sign on in the enterprise world. Its much better than having to remember different logons and profiles for every goog…

I imagine if someone comes up with a better page ranking algorithm they definitely have a shot at beating google.

Not a chance... about the same as Linux has at beating Windows on the desktop, in my opinion. It's too entrenched, too far ahead, barrier to entry to even get to a level playing field is too high...

I'd love to see it, to be honest. I hope beyond hope it will happen. But I think it's more likely to see something remove the need to search entirely than have a new search engine take out Google's dominance.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by InclinedPlane »

code_duck wrote: post #468
InclinedPlane wrote: post #465

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Let's just say that comparing Windows to the linux kernel would be a mistake. Hosting the windows source would be a challenge for any source control system out there. Git / github is not exactly optimized for projects of that size.

Sure, Windows is more than a kernel. I imagine the NT kernel vs the Linux kernel would be roughly comparable. But to compare 'Linux' the OS to Windows would mean Windows vs. GNU/Linux/X.org/Gnome/KDE... or say, the source for every package in the base Debian distribution.

Exactly. Now imagine that every part of it was just as bloated and convoluted as you'd imagine.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by porker »

zmmmmm wrote: post #457
porker wrote: post #446

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> they are willing stoop lower and employ underhand tactics to an extent that nobody else in the industry will match. Worse than Google or Amazon's dominance of the marketplace? The squashing out competition that they do? I don't think so - Microsoft could be on a par perhaps, but certainly no worse.

Not sure about Amazon. But I'd definitely say worse than Google. For all of Google's dominance they offer APIs using open standards for the vast majority of their products, their operating systems are all open source, they guarantee to give you your data with takeout. Mostly where they are dominant it is because they've made products people really want and not because they've locked their customers in. I'm sure you c…

That's a fair assessment of Google. My views are coloured because of a few really good startups I saw crushed when Google released products for free (specifically Calendar, and Reader IIRC).

I have a long-running joke with friends when we come up with ideas, that we'd better not do it as "Google's going there soon". Thankfully it seems to have slowed down its expansion a bit in the last few years.

Also the power they wield with search and adwords, to make businesses thrive or die - especially if they play the rules (cf RapGenius). Though I don't expect it would be any better if Bing was the dominant search engine.

tl;dr: I don't like semi-monopolies. Small, competing and thriving businesses are the best.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by rational_indian »

shmerl wrote: post #305
_random_ wrote: post #304

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Yeah, but you want a higher-level language for most apps.

Questionable, or I'd say depends on your taste. In mobile sphere C++ does just fine, especially when combined with Qt and QML. And performance still matters most of the time, whether we are talking about embedded or server systems.

If you are going to use Qt/QML you might as well move to C#. C# will always be more performant than JavaScript (QML is based on JS). Plus the bloat introduced by Qt (signals and slots etc) makes it just as slow as C# without any of its benefits.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

meepmorp wrote: post #405
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #78

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My Argentinian TA once said "if I have an accent and you have an accent, we might have a problem." That said, all my coworkers are Chinese (many have never been to the states or outside of china) and I don't have a problem with anyone's accent (they can barely understand my Chinese though).

> they can barely understand my Chinese though Out of curiosity, has anyone ever articulated why your Chinese is hard to understand? Is it tone or phonemes?

I do fine on the street, but my Chinese isn't technical enough to work at work, I just don't have the vocabulary (thankfully, English is supposed to be our working language anyways).

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by teddyh »

Regarding all the positive comments, I think the previous guy was so bad, and the new guy mostly nondescript, that people are projecting all their hopeful wishes onto the new guy.

Really, a lot like what seemed to happen with Bush and Obama.

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