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Securing a SoC is Not Easy

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Re: Securing a SoC is Not Easy

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High end SoC vendors generally don't care about you until you're buying millions of devices. If you can't find it on Digikey/Mouser/etc you're probably not going to get your hands on these parts without an in with one of the big name suppliers or the SoC vendor itself. However, in the case where you are shopping for millions of devices - say you're looking for the centerpiece of a new smartphone, its not unusual for them to fly a team of applications engineers to you to facilitate getting the part into your system.

Of course, merely procuring the part itself is just the beginning. The early revisions of a SoC (and in many cases even small microcontrollers) can have fairly extensive errata sheets (basically a list of known hardware bugs). If you aren't a first class customer (usually based on order volumes), this is a world where you can spend weeks to months wondering why your code doesn't work only to find out that it legitimately was a hardware problem in the silicon.

Trying to source displays is also a nightmare for relatively low volume (<100K) designs.

Re: Securing a SoC is Not Easy

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The situation for hobbyists getting SoCs is terrible - I've got a MiiPC at home that won't be getting much use because Marvell won't release any documentation on it without an NDA

NDAs are firmly integrated in the embedded industry. If you could get your hands on any other SoC, you would need to sign an NDA as well. For example Tegra documentation needs an NDA too.

Re: Securing a SoC is Not Easy

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OK, following the comment below, the post is about the difficulties of sourcing a SoC (system-on-chip such as the ARM processors you find in most mobile devices out there) for a relatively small hardware project led by a small company. While we all get the impression that SoCs are so common that you can buy them from anywhere, the actual supply of these parts is an issue if you are not sourcing tons of them at the sa…

Sourcing is a better word than "securing" though the title is accurately quoted. I thought it was going to be security related.

Agree, Sourcing may have been a better wording. Securing was used here in its other meaning.

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So what is the recommended approach ? (sorry if the link you shared answers the question, i have not checked it yet)

The link, and indeed the whole blog, is worth reading. However, it doesn't directly answer the question. Bunnie suggests dealing with Chinese brokers who can source availability of 'cut tape', remnants from large production runs of the chip. It doesn't address consistency and reliable supply issues over a longer period of time but does allow for procurement of relatively small quantities of parts. Bunnie also suggest…

Apparently you are right on the account that learning Chinese surely helps (ED from the article mentioned that there was a lack for proper English documentation for some chips considered).

Re: Securing a SoC is Not Easy

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I work for Qualcomm and am surprised that the blog post author didn't consider our SoCs - it would meet all the requirements and I believe its not too much hassle to source from us.

Thanks for the feedback! I believe ED (the one who shared his experiences from the article) did contact Qualcomm but had difficulty securing small quantities as well from them. He probably forgot to mention it this time. However, if you think that it would still be possible and if you have commercial contacts within Qualcomm, I'd be happy to put you in touch with him.

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Woh-hold on now, I have a Pandora (though it got delivered too late for me to really use it) Getting parts has always been a rough time! Parallela board, the Pandora, the iControlPad2 from kick starter failed because of parts not being sourced on time.

To be fair the Pandora still exists and is still produced (while you are right that it suffered huge delays in the first place linked to supply but also to manufacturing). As for the ICP2, I believe it was not just a supply issue but a lack a coordination (the design was still being discussed several months after funding).

Re: Securing a SoC is Not Easy

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I work for Qualcomm and am surprised that the blog post author didn't consider our SoCs - it would meet all the requirements and I believe its not too much hassle to source from us.

Thanks for the feedback! I believe ED (the one who shared his experiences from the article) did contact Qualcomm but had difficulty securing small quantities as well from them. He probably forgot to mention it this time. However, if you think that it would still be possible and if you have commercial contacts within Qualcomm, I'd be happy to put you in touch with him.

Yes, would be happy to talk with your colleague and point him to the right contacts. I am at the San Diego headquarters.

Re: Securing a SoC is Not Easy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the feedback! I believe ED (the one who shared his experiences from the article) did contact Qualcomm but had difficulty securing small quantities as well from them. He probably forgot to mention it this time. However, if you think that it would still be possible and if you have commercial contacts within Qualcomm, I'd be happy to put you in touch with him.

Yes, would be happy to talk with your colleague and point him to the right contacts. I am at the San Diego headquarters.

If you don't mind, contact me through the form on Pandoralive (http://pandoralive.info/?page_id=2) and I'll get in touch with you personally. Not sure if it's not too late for this particular device, but it's for sure not the last project of that kind so it wouldn't hurt to start establishing a relationship. :)
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