Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO • Hacker News Board

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by pbsd » Wed, Feb 05, 2014, 5:07 AM UTC

jejones3141 wrote: post #421

shmerl wrote: post #239

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> Microsoft started as a development tools company and they're still pretty damn good at it. Why are they so behind in C++11 support in their tools then? I think they are falling behind in their tools advantages already. With emergence of OpenGL debugger from Valve that will only escalate (at least on the gaming scene).

Not to mention basically telling C users to buzz off, they won't bother with C99 support.

The current version of their compiler supports many C99 language constructs and libraries; I think VLAs and the restrict keyword are the most noteworthy features still missing.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by bokmann » Wed, Feb 05, 2014, 5:08 AM UTC

Cool, with Bill also more in the action we can probably hope some interesting times ahead. Another "white" topic though: does anyone notice those white spots in the MS logo?

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by InclinedPlane » Wed, Feb 05, 2014, 5:14 AM UTC

Touche wrote: post #439

shanselman wrote: post #398

It's worth noting that under Satya (in my org, Cloud and Enterprise) we open sourced ASP.NET, use 50+ OSS libraries in Visual Studio, have all the Azure cloud SDKs on GitHub, and on and on. We made Portable Libraries happen and now share code between iOS, Android, and Windows. This is not your grandfather's MSFT, and now the dude who helped us (Azure) change things in a fundamentally non-MSFT and totally awesome way…

I suggest open sourcing Windows. Put it on GitHub with a permissive license and accept pull requests. The internet will blow up, you'll instantly win back all of the developer mindshare that has been lost over the years.

You obviously have no concept of what the windows source looks like. Putting it on github would be a massive technical challenge alone.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by chenster » Wed, Feb 05, 2014, 5:30 AM UTC

The key here is innovation. Innovate or die. Simple as that regardless is OSS or proprietary. Is Satya up to the challenge to turn the sinking ship around? We will see in the next a few years.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by outside1234 » Wed, Feb 05, 2014, 5:39 AM UTC

gress wrote: post #347

xmonkee wrote: post #238

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>It's not Microsoft that was/is bad, it's having any single entity have too much power. I can't come to the same conclusion. Just look at how much innovation has happened to areas that Microsoft dominated as opposed to those dominated by Google. Google basically sets fire to whatever it gets into. Look at how much they've enriched the developer space in those areas. Everything Microsoft is still stuck in the early 20…

Hang on - how has google enriched the developer space?

you don't use Dart or Go?

Actually, neither do I. Its funny, because when they do hit on something like Node.js (built with v8), Google ignores it. Its sort of puzzling actually.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by amaks » Wed, Feb 05, 2014, 5:48 AM UTC

BlackDeath3 wrote: post #407

shanselman wrote: post #398

It's worth noting that under Satya (in my org, Cloud and Enterprise) we open sourced ASP.NET, use 50+ OSS libraries in Visual Studio, have all the Azure cloud SDKs on GitHub, and on and on. We made Portable Libraries happen and now share code between iOS, Android, and Windows. This is not your grandfather's MSFT, and now the dude who helped us (Azure) change things in a fundamentally non-MSFT and totally awesome way…

Seems like it may be an interesting place to work in the coming years!

We'll see, Gates and Ballmer are going to stay on Microsoft board. I'm wondering how much freedom Nadella is going to have in making decisions.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by zmmmmm » Wed, Feb 05, 2014, 5:55 AM UTC

porker wrote: post #446

zmmmmm wrote: post #364

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> I think the world needs a strong Microsoft again It's extremely dangerous to think if Microsoft as weak. They have enormous profits and revenue - far, far bigger than Google, for example - that are secure far into the future. They are willing to plow this money for an almost indefinite amount of time into any product to brute force it to success (see Xbox) and they are willing stoop lower and employ underhand tacti…

> they are willing stoop lower and employ underhand tactics to an extent that nobody else in the industry will match. Worse than Google or Amazon's dominance of the marketplace? The squashing out competition that they do? I don't think so - Microsoft could be on a par perhaps, but certainly no worse.

Not sure about Amazon. But I'd definitely say worse than Google. For all of Google's dominance they offer APIs using open standards for the vast majority of their products, their operating systems are all open source, they guarantee to give you your data with takeout. Mostly where they are dominant it is because they've made products people really want and not because they've locked their customers in. I'm sure you can find exceptions but I think overall their track record is substantially better than Microsoft's ever was.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by gress » Wed, Feb 05, 2014, 5:55 AM UTC

outside1234 wrote: post #455

gress wrote: post #347

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Hang on - how has google enriched the developer space?

you don't use Dart or Go? Actually, neither do I. Its funny, because when they do hit on something like Node.js (built with v8), Google ignores it. Its sort of puzzling actually.

I actually do use go, and I like it, but it's hardly setting the world on fire.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by CamperBob2 » Wed, Feb 05, 2014, 6:03 AM UTC

cygwin98 wrote: post #59

hatred wrote: post #52

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Well I can't speak about Motorola but the stock price of ADBE of late suggests pretty strongly otherwise for a dying company.

Adobe is the monopoly in the desktop graphics tool market. Not sure why no VC targets it at this moment, which does seem like a slow dinosaur to attack on.

Patents.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by nyg_hakeem » Wed, Feb 05, 2014, 6:10 AM UTC

shanselman wrote: post #398

It's worth noting that under Satya (in my org, Cloud and Enterprise) we open sourced ASP.NET, use 50+ OSS libraries in Visual Studio, have all the Azure cloud SDKs on GitHub, and on and on. We made Portable Libraries happen and now share code between iOS, Android, and Windows. This is not your grandfather's MSFT, and now the dude who helped us (Azure) change things in a fundamentally non-MSFT and totally awesome way…

scott, what about the operating system engineering group? Do you see it will lean towards open source under Satya's leadership?

also, what do you see MSFT to do to regain talent from Facebook and Google?