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Re: Firefox 27 Released

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False logic. Slow update does not mean you have secure version. You can get ESR if you want the so-called LTS version. Freqeunt update addresses multiple things quickly: (1) security vulnerability, (2) performance regression (3) new features For a software widely used like FF, it is important that they keep the software up-to-date, make the software as slim as possible, and make the software easy to use. If you want…

> Slow update does not mean you have secure version. This was not my claim. When there are security vulnerabilities I'm happy for the updates to be as quick as possible and as frequent as necessary. The problem is: > (3) new features Adding new features has a high chance of new security flaws, when you're operating at the speed of firefox on such an error-prone technology stack. Different users want to meet this trad…

Then get the ESR version? That's what you're looking for if those are your requirements.

Re: Firefox 27 Released

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Is that sarcasm?

I don't think so. It's easy now to look at the headline and think "Oh, just another Firefox release, it happens what? once a month?". That's a good thing. Users are upgrading, the process is smooth; Mozilla's having a relatively easy time iterating. Remember when Firefox 3, 4, and 5 came out? Each time, it was a big deal. Many complained and groaned. The upgrade process was problematic for many users. Some users woul…

Have to give a lot of the credit to Google. Before Chrome, Firefox was floundering. Updates were painful. Chrome competition eventually got Firefox refocused. Chrome also pioneered rapid release cycles and auto-updating so that users didn't have to consciously think about being "ready" to update or find reasons not to. Hopefully they don't even notice.

Google's stated reason for developing Chrome was to push web browsers forward as a platform. Whatever you think of Chrome now, I think in that objective they succeeded admirably.

Re: Firefox 27 Released

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Then Flash prompts for an update, then Acrobat Reader, then Java...

Then Mozilla Thunderbird, then TortoiseGit, then TortoitseSVN, then Sublime Text Editor, then Notepad++, then Notepad++ informs me there is an update of a plugin that I never use, then VLC media player, then Google Chrome, then Oracle VirtualBox, then Visual Studio proudly announces a service pack, then Windows informs me that it wants to reboot in 10 minutes.

Then Avast Antivirus pops up and says your software update status is critical! Do something or let me manage it for you (pay me) !

Re: Firefox 27 Released

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Then Mozilla Thunderbird, then TortoiseGit, then TortoitseSVN, then Sublime Text Editor, then Notepad++, then Notepad++ informs me there is an update of a plugin that I never use, then VLC media player, then Google Chrome, then Oracle VirtualBox, then Visual Studio proudly announces a service pack, then Windows informs me that it wants to reboot in 10 minutes.

get a mac

Yea, get a mac just for that. Oh and please just forget that all present *nix based distros will have a similar, if not better, update manager.

Re: Firefox 27 Released

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I strongly dislike the fact that almost every single piece of software wants to also install some kind of always running service to manage updates. It should be an OS hook that programs can use when they are first installed, and can be completely managed by the user if they care.

Like some kind of package manager? On Windows? Good luck with that!

If you run windows and don't use Ninite yet, let me make your day:

https://ninite.com/updater/

Re: Firefox 27 Released

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So glad I am not the only one noticing the filter change. That additional click to display the filtering options that Chrome introduced really made me start using FF more and more for work. I think this dumbing-down approach Google is doing with all their apps and websites will only alienate more and more professionals out of using their platform.

(Chrome DevTools team here). We cleaned up the filtering as it was totally inconsistent across all panels. So now it introduces one more click, but felt like generally that extra click was OK. I think we can still improve the UX, however. Which panels do you most use filters on (and for what?) Console, Network?

I knew they were attently watching on this thread... :)

Re: Firefox 27 Released

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One disturbing thing about Mozilla security is that most of the "Critical" flaws[1] in their list would be marked as "High" on Chrome because of Chrome's superior security model. [1] https://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/firef...

I think you put too much faith in the fables that surround what the chrome security model does and does not do. In short, no, they wouldn't.

Really? Care to give an example?

Re: Firefox 27 Released

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Chrome has recently started to be more of a burden for us. We use the Application Shortcuts on our sales teams Windows PCs, which has broken over the last couple of updates: * Scrollbars have now changed, there are no up and down arrows. This has really confused our elder staff. * Application shortcuts have started hanging and throwing the "Jim" screen, but the same web pages work fine usually. * Java is awful to get…

Fwiw I've been finding Firefox (Ubuntu 12.04 default repo version) to be more stable than Chrome when I'm abusing tabs (like 50-100 tabs open, yes I'm pathological). Under such circumstances with Chrome my computer will occasionally freeze and I have no recourse but to REISUB it. Under similar circumstances with FF, things slow down and responsiveness gets worse, but no system freezes have occured yet. There are some…

I've heard countless times that Chrome becomes flaky once you get to about 50 or 60 tabs.

In contrast, I know several Firefox users who regularly have open several hundred tabs, and one guy who sometimes exceeds a thousand. (Yes, a thousand.)

(And if you're about to respond with "why would anybody need that many tabs?", please don't. It's a tired topic; just accept that there are many different and valid ways to use a web browser, and yours is just one of them.)

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