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Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by ascotan »

adamt wrote: post #160

I'd never thought I'd say this after the years of aggressive (and at times anti-competitive) dominance but I think the world needs a strong Microsoft again. Although Microsoft remains very strong in the corporate world, its presence in the Internet and mobile worlds are now pretty limited and leaving the two power-houses of Google and Apple to shape the industry. Satya has done a good job with Azure, and it will be i…

Microsoft cooked it's own hotdog.

They have always been 2 steps behind on virtually every product release.

Windows phone - check.

Browser that supports modern javascript - check.

An OS that looks wonky on the desktop because they're attempting to play catch-up with mobile devices - check.

You can probably throw Azure cloud services up there too.

If this guy can clean house and run a better ship that what they've been doing, more power to him, but they've got more to worry about that swapping their high paid CEO if they're going to have a future outside of Word, Excel and Powerpoint.

(Did I hear "Kin Phone"?)

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by css771 »

YZF wrote: post #425
bad_user wrote: post #356

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Windows Phone 8 ... not open-source, doesn't have anything like CyanogenMod, cannot be forked, does not allow app installs from third-party sources, doesn't allow replacing Bing's search with anything else (and the available setting in IExplorer for setting the in-browser search provider doesn't work) and wifi tethering must be explicitly allowed by the mobile career (which is a PITA since my mobile career couldn't w…

I think I'm older than you... Anyone owning a computing device in the days of Microsoft's reign was able to use any programming language in existence (pretty much) to do development for their device. The APIs were accessible and libraries and technologies played with each other. Mostly because they were around some common lower denominator (e.g. a C or lower level API). You could install anyone's software without nee…

I don't think the openness of the desktop world was because of Microsoft. If any other company had taken over, we would've seen pretty much the same thing imo.

In today's mobile world, Apple and others could learn from the drawbacks of the desktop world and implement a "better" system, at least in some respects. It has certainly helped their revenue.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by css771 »

bad_user wrote: post #362
Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #352

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Agree re development but whether Android is open depends where you are in the world and where you draw the lines on what constitutes Android. In North America and Europe it's theoretically open but OEM's dependence on Google's services (which for many people are part and parcel of the Android experience) and the control Google exert through that means that there are real limitations on how open it is in reality. This…

> you can't use Android to put together a compelling smartphone without Google I actually have an older Galaxy S and I installed CyanogenMod on it without Google's services, so no Google Play, no GMail, etc... The phone is actually usable. I have more apps on it than I have on another Win Phone 8, a Lumia that I received as a gift. As a browser, I'm using Firefox, which I happen to believe it's the best mobile browse…

This is exactly it. Many people don't realize this when they say Android is not open. But you could install F-Droid, which is a repository of open source Android apps and you could pretty much live without Google at all on Android. You would lose many conveniences but you will still be able to make use of all your phone's smarts.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by [deleted] »

dave1619 wrote: post #399
shanselman wrote: post #398

It's worth noting that under Satya (in my org, Cloud and Enterprise) we open sourced ASP.NET, use 50+ OSS libraries in Visual Studio, have all the Azure cloud SDKs on GitHub, and on and on. We made Portable Libraries happen and now share code between iOS, Android, and Windows. This is not your grandfather's MSFT, and now the dude who helped us (Azure) change things in a fundamentally non-MSFT and totally awesome way…

It's great to hear from somebody who worked in Satya's division at Microsoft. Are people at Microsoft generally upbeat about Satya's CEO appointment?

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Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by itsboring »

romanovcode wrote: post #285
_random_ wrote: post #282

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Incorrect, Xamarin is currently the best option for multi-platform development and it has a good Visual Studio integration.

Just imagine how fast it would become popular if you could host MVC5/WebApi on Linux.

I switched to ServiceStack from WebApi just so I didn't have to develop on windows.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by malbs »

Moto7451 wrote: post #416
bad_user wrote: post #356

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Windows Phone 8 ... not open-source, doesn't have anything like CyanogenMod, cannot be forked, does not allow app installs from third-party sources, doesn't allow replacing Bing's search with anything else (and the available setting in IExplorer for setting the in-browser search provider doesn't work) and wifi tethering must be explicitly allowed by the mobile career (which is a PITA since my mobile career couldn't w…

Also add Delphi and C++ on iOS/Android/Win Phone platforms and Scala on Android http://www.embarcadero.com/products/rad-studio/ios-developme... http://scala-ide.org/docs/tutorials/androiddevelopment/index...

I think I know the answer to this question, but I'll ask anyway - Have you seriously tried to use the Embarcadero products for a "shippable" ios/android app?

I'm guessing no.

The entire experience is a sorry joke. I'm a big fan of Delphi as far as a tool to produce good/fast/native apps goes. They really dropped the ball with the ios/android tools. They ripped off GPL code, causing multiple patches to "fix" mis-appropriated open source code, it's fairly obvious there is no money, and the only customers they have are the existing ones who have a bunch of greybeards with a lot of Delphi experience and nothing else who are desperate to pump out _something_ for the mobile market, but are unprepared to learn _anything_ new.

Sorry, I'm just bitter that they took a decent product (Delphi 7), and took a shit on it, and then continued to grind it into oblivion.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by yuhong »

hga wrote: post #214
rbanffy wrote: post #185

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The 286 really had a lot of technical issues and IBM's apparent reluctance to embrace the 386 did hurt them in the long run (as well as MCA). Yet, for software built for OS/2, the 286 was just fine. Its main problem was dealing with DOS programs that wanted direct access to hardware. The fact that developing for OS/2 was painful and expensive was not helping. IBM made a lot of stupid decisions and Microsoft benefited…

Really? What I was told by various people who tried this is that Intel had no idea how people actually coded for the x86/weren't willing to make segment sizes larger than the original 64 KiB, and the penalty for loading a new segment register was "tens of cycles" per Wikipedia, I've heard on the order of 40 earlier. So a lot of existing code bases, including a couple I worked on for PCs (Gosling Emacs and a write onc…

The 32-bit OS/2 2.x and "NT OS/2" was a different story however, and while this decision was made before MS turned this project into a fiasco, this reminds me of how abandoning segmentation altogether and going for a flat address space for OS/2 2.0 and "NT OS/2" was a mistake for security reasons, and I realized that the Morris worm spread around Sept 1988, when both was in development (MS sent the first OS/2 2.0 SDKs to developers at the end of 1989).

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by Touche »

shanselman wrote: post #398

It's worth noting that under Satya (in my org, Cloud and Enterprise) we open sourced ASP.NET, use 50+ OSS libraries in Visual Studio, have all the Azure cloud SDKs on GitHub, and on and on. We made Portable Libraries happen and now share code between iOS, Android, and Windows. This is not your grandfather's MSFT, and now the dude who helped us (Azure) change things in a fundamentally non-MSFT and totally awesome way…

I suggest open sourcing Windows. Put it on GitHub with a permissive license and accept pull requests. The internet will blow up, you'll instantly win back all of the developer mindshare that has been lost over the years.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by justin66 »

shmerl wrote: post #239
glhaynes wrote: post #207

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I never want to see a Microsoft monopoly over "desktop computing" (hah, what an aged term!) again, but I'd definitely like to see their talent get to assert itself further than it currently is able to. Microsoft started as a development tools company and they're still pretty damn good at it. I hope the next decade allows that group to flourish at the very least.

> Microsoft started as a development tools company and they're still pretty damn good at it. Why are they so behind in C++11 support in their tools then? I think they are falling behind in their tools advantages already. With emergence of OpenGL debugger from Valve that will only escalate (at least on the gaming scene).

It's good to keep some perspective. C++ standards are incorporated into tools so much faster than they used to be it's not even funny. I'm not on the inside so I don't know why things are so much better, but clang, gcc, and visual studio people are all doing a pretty great job.
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