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Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by jejones3141 »

shmerl wrote: post #239
glhaynes wrote: post #207

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I never want to see a Microsoft monopoly over "desktop computing" (hah, what an aged term!) again, but I'd definitely like to see their talent get to assert itself further than it currently is able to. Microsoft started as a development tools company and they're still pretty damn good at it. I hope the next decade allows that group to flourish at the very least.

> Microsoft started as a development tools company and they're still pretty damn good at it. Why are they so behind in C++11 support in their tools then? I think they are falling behind in their tools advantages already. With emergence of OpenGL debugger from Valve that will only escalate (at least on the gaming scene).

Not to mention basically telling C users to buzz off, they won't bother with C99 support.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by jejones3141 »

ygra wrote: post #146
Touche wrote: post #145

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I think the #1 thing Microsoft needs to do in order to right itself is become a platform that developers love, which isn't the case today. Becoming fully posix compliant would be a great start to that.

They've been there and no one used it.

What I recall hearing was that wherever the standard allowed a POSIX call to just set errno to indicate "sorry, we don't support this", MS's POSIX compatibility library did so, rendering it useless.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by frowaway001 »

romanovcode wrote: post #346
streblo wrote: post #342

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IntelliJ IDEA is a really fantastic IDE for Scala/Java. I haven't used VS in ~6 years (and back then not deeply) so I don't have a great basis of comparison. But IntelliJ does a fantastic job and it's steadily improved over the years.

Yea, It's pretty good. But believe me - it has nothing on VS2013.

I'm always surprised when C# developers think VS is the best thing ever.

Having used multiple languages and technologies, I'm not even slightly impressed by VS.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by outside1234 »

dave1619 wrote: post #399
shanselman wrote: post #398

It's worth noting that under Satya (in my org, Cloud and Enterprise) we open sourced ASP.NET, use 50+ OSS libraries in Visual Studio, have all the Azure cloud SDKs on GitHub, and on and on. We made Portable Libraries happen and now share code between iOS, Android, and Windows. This is not your grandfather's MSFT, and now the dude who helped us (Azure) change things in a fundamentally non-MSFT and totally awesome way…

It's great to hear from somebody who worked in Satya's division at Microsoft. Are people at Microsoft generally upbeat about Satya's CEO appointment?

He promptly promoted Scott Guthrie in his first official move (that I know about), so things are off to a great start in my book!

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by YZF »

bad_user wrote: post #356
YZF wrote: post #273

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Really? The world of Google and Apple (Samsung and FOSS aren't even a player) is a world of closed computing platforms where people can't control their own devices and can't and don't code for them. More languages? I don't think so. How many languages can you use to write apps for your iPhone or Android device? Objective C and Java respectively and that's about it. With Google not only do you not control your apps/de…

Windows Phone 8 ... not open-source, doesn't have anything like CyanogenMod, cannot be forked, does not allow app installs from third-party sources, doesn't allow replacing Bing's search with anything else (and the available setting in IExplorer for setting the in-browser search provider doesn't work) and wifi tethering must be explicitly allowed by the mobile career (which is a PITA since my mobile career couldn't w…

I think I'm older than you...

Anyone owning a computing device in the days of Microsoft's reign was able to use any programming language in existence (pretty much) to do development for their device. The APIs were accessible and libraries and technologies played with each other. Mostly because they were around some common lower denominator (e.g. a C or lower level API). You could install anyone's software without needing an intermediary. It was clear that you owned your device, you owned your software and you owned your data. They didn't force other software vendors to pay them a fee. It wasn't Microsoft that broke all that. Microsoft is only playing catch up there.

I don't know Windows Phone 8 at all but if all you're saying is right then that sucks and I won't defend Microsoft there.

SaaS is just another facet of this multi-pronged attack on the user.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by tcheard »

skalkin wrote: post #332
cygwin98 wrote: post #254

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I think Bing is a lost battle. The real question is what can they do on Azure, and can they move people to a cloud-based Office suite. Bing is actually doing surprisingly well, considering the team competes with probably the most successful department and the foundation of GOOG. IMHO it's likely one of very few successful strategic moves of MSFT in competitive markets. Without Bing, GOOG would pretty much print money…

"Without Bing, GOOG would pretty much print money and pour money on whatever futuristic projects they feel like. " You say it like Google's futuristic projects are bad things; if anything, we need more of them!

Exactly, I don't see a downside in Google pouring money at futuristic projects. This is a good thing, their research and development only helps the computing industry. I guess people are just stuck in the mindframe that everything Google does is bad. Sure they seem to do some sketchy stuff sometimes with personal information, but that doesn't mean everything they do is a bad thing.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by nkerkin »

guardian5x wrote: post #161
frik wrote: post #120

Video fail: apparently Bill Gates video was filmed with a chroma-keying (blue-screen) and because of original reflections on his glasses you can now see "through his head". Look at his glasses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5BhQVuRcTk

Comment fail, this is just one of the screens there reflecting on his glasses.

frik is correct, watch around 0:40 - 0:45, it's pretty obvious.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by benwilber0 »

adamt wrote: post #160

I'd never thought I'd say this after the years of aggressive (and at times anti-competitive) dominance but I think the world needs a strong Microsoft again. Although Microsoft remains very strong in the corporate world, its presence in the Internet and mobile worlds are now pretty limited and leaving the two power-houses of Google and Apple to shape the industry. Satya has done a good job with Azure, and it will be i…

lol why do you think "the world needs a strong Microsoft"? Do you think the world needs a string IBM? How about a strong SAP? Or Oracle?

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by YZF »

taopao wrote: post #379
YZF wrote: post #273

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Really? The world of Google and Apple (Samsung and FOSS aren't even a player) is a world of closed computing platforms where people can't control their own devices and can't and don't code for them. More languages? I don't think so. How many languages can you use to write apps for your iPhone or Android device? Objective C and Java respectively and that's about it. With Google not only do you not control your apps/de…

That's a lot of invective, and a lot of falsehoods.

I admit it's a somewhat emotional reply ;-) However, I think anyone will be hard pressed to show that Google and Apple have somehow advanced the state of openness vs. what we used to have in the "good old days". Their business model relies on closeness and being able to extract recurring revenue. Microsoft was not quite like that, they did rely on recurring revenue from newer versions but I feel that's more like getting a new car vs. being overcharged on your ink in your inkjet printer.

EDIT: Something happened to my footnote. The HW specs used to be open in the PC WinTel era. We could freely exchange software. We could run multiple OSes. Lots more choice in languages etc.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by chj »

whileonebegin wrote: post #216
nilkn wrote: post #190

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I agree with a lot of what you're saying, except I wanted to point out that I still greatly prefer native email clients (I'm 24, for what it's worth). Outlook is actually a very competent piece of software on OS X and I use it at work; it's easily on par with Mail.app for me. I prefer either of these to any web email interface I've used, as they are considerably more responsive (even Gmail seems laggy in comparison).

You should try Thunderbird. I switched from Outlook a few years ago and have never looked back.

Thunderbird can't provide a mail link as the Mail.app does. That is the only thing I miss since I switched from Mail.app.
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