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Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by umeshunni »

encoderer wrote: post #292
mathattack wrote: post #219

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I think Bing is a lost battle. The real question is what can they do on Azure, and can they move people to a cloud-based Office suite. On arrogance - this comes with size. The larger a company gets, the more internal stakeholders they have. What was once a simple, "Of course we'll change that" turns into "Who else is impacted to this change?" to "Let's only change what we need to, and not get distracted by everything…

Bing has 1/3 of search volume if you include Yahoo, which it serves. Hardly lost.

In the US. In desktop. Globally, and once you count mobile, it's negligible. After 9 years on the market, including multiple rebrandings, it's a lost cause.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by streblo »

CmonDev wrote: post #211
romanovcode wrote: post #201

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.NET, C# and Visual Studio

Yes, the only reasonable alternative is Scala but there is no IDE for it to match VS and there won't be.

IntelliJ IDEA is a really fantastic IDE for Scala/Java. I haven't used VS in ~6 years (and back then not deeply) so I don't have a great basis of comparison. But IntelliJ does a fantastic job and it's steadily improved over the years.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by mergy »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #150
mergy wrote: post #135

Here's the concern: 1. Everyone thinks Microsoft needs a rethink. 2. Ballmer and others inside Microsoft think they did that and just need to execute on it (devices first, etc.) 3. This guy helped develop the rethink that is in-process. Any external candidates would have had to buy-in to the restructure already started but not fully executed under Ballmer. Since he was theoretically part of the changes started with B…

IMHO the re-think wasn't too far off. Microsoft's tablet OS is pretty nice. It was just late to the game and needs a stronger app ecosystem but they're working on that. The UI for Win8 desktop was DOA. They really over-shot there but have taken what I feel are appropriate steps to mitigate some of the damage and I think we'll see a nicer, better solution come Win9.

I hope so. We need more competition out there and Microsoft should be in the mix. It will be interesting to see changes if Ballmer and Gates remain on the Board in some capacity.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by rch »

ZoFreX wrote: post #218
taylodl wrote: post #197

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Why? What good would a strong Microsoft provide us? What void would that fill? We've been there, done that and frankly, I don't care to go back. They abused their power when they had it and I have no intent of giving it back to them to give them another crack at it. No, I much prefer today's world of Google, Apple, Samsung and FOSS in all its myriad forms battling it out. There's more developer frameworks than ever a…

It's not Microsoft that was/is bad, it's having any single entity have too much power. In my opinion, right now, that is Google, and that's why we need a stronger someone - anyone. And Microsoft fit the bill.

Thanks for your comment - you just reminded me that I have been meaning to create a Google Takeout archive. I'm curious how easy it will be to access and use the data programmatically in my own software.

The archive is still being prepared, but I am genuinely curious to see if it is better than the various office documents, spreadsheets, and backup formats I have had to use in years past. I am, for the moment, optimistic.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by romanovcode »

streblo wrote: post #342
CmonDev wrote: post #211

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Yes, the only reasonable alternative is Scala but there is no IDE for it to match VS and there won't be.

IntelliJ IDEA is a really fantastic IDE for Scala/Java. I haven't used VS in ~6 years (and back then not deeply) so I don't have a great basis of comparison. But IntelliJ does a fantastic job and it's steadily improved over the years.

Yea, It's pretty good. But believe me - it has nothing on VS2013.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by gress »

xmonkee wrote: post #238
ZoFreX wrote: post #218

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It's not Microsoft that was/is bad, it's having any single entity have too much power. In my opinion, right now, that is Google, and that's why we need a stronger someone - anyone. And Microsoft fit the bill.

>It's not Microsoft that was/is bad, it's having any single entity have too much power. I can't come to the same conclusion. Just look at how much innovation has happened to areas that Microsoft dominated as opposed to those dominated by Google. Google basically sets fire to whatever it gets into. Look at how much they've enriched the developer space in those areas. Everything Microsoft is still stuck in the early 20…

Hang on - how has google enriched the developer space?

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by gress »

general_failure wrote: post #333
YZF wrote: post #273

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Really? The world of Google and Apple (Samsung and FOSS aren't even a player) is a world of closed computing platforms where people can't control their own devices and can't and don't code for them. More languages? I don't think so. How many languages can you use to write apps for your iPhone or Android device? Objective C and Java respectively and that's about it. With Google not only do you not control your apps/de…

Well, MS has copied everything the others are doing including the App Store model. This shows how uncreative they are. I would rather have a world without MS too.

Does Google and Amazon copying the App Store show how uncreative they are too?

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by us0r »

pr0zac wrote: post #243
melling wrote: post #226

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Doesn't Microsoft have 90% of the desktop? About the same dominance in "Office apps", along with their proprietary formats keeping people uncomfortable using "compatible" software. That dominance is almost 2 decades old and it's quite hard to fix. When most people get a job, they're going to be using Microsoft because that's what they will be given. I've never been somewhere where I'm told which search engine to use.…

You're mistakening Microsoft's residual momentum for current acceleration. The technology sphere is a lot bigger than the desktop now. This year there will be almost twice as many Android devices shipped than Windows + iOS/OSX devices combined. The future of technology is going to decrease the importance of the desktop even further, and Google has 90s-Microsoft level market share of every other type of consumer netwo…

.... and Microsoft makes more off Android then Google does. :)

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by gress »

shmerl wrote: post #312
gress wrote: post #293

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They were only able to be a racketeer when they had near monopoly power. Now Google is in that role and we need someone to keep them in check.

No, it's like saying that since there are powers with nuclear weapons we need more of them to keep them in check.

If you're going to use that analogy then I do think it's better to have more than one such power.
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