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Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by Iftheshoefits »

sdegutis wrote: post #179
adamt wrote: post #160

I'd never thought I'd say this after the years of aggressive (and at times anti-competitive) dominance but I think the world needs a strong Microsoft again. Although Microsoft remains very strong in the corporate world, its presence in the Internet and mobile worlds are now pretty limited and leaving the two power-houses of Google and Apple to shape the industry. Satya has done a good job with Azure, and it will be i…

From a technical standpoint, I'd love to see Microsoft starting to gain more traction in the developer world. Coming from Java and Objective-C, I'm pretty excited about C# and .NET, which seem much friendlier towards us developers.

Depends on who "us developers" is. Not all development is for Yet Another Corporate CRUD App (dressed up as some fancy groundbreaking tech). I'd argue they already have a significant presence in that particular "developer world" anyway. The vast majority of software run on enterprise desktop systems is Microsoft software, customized and extended in some cases by in-house (or contracted) development using the very walled-garden Microsoft suite of software/languages/compilers.

MS's offerings in that arena are at least as good as any other, if not superior, and I think far superior to the latest fad of (ab)using the web browser as a One Size Fits All application platform.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by freehunter »

mitchty wrote: post #199
vetinari wrote: post #183

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Your auditors are asking about specific software??? Ours never did. Processes, yes, specific brands? No way.

Yep we only install virus scanners at email gateways to make the exchange servers not die. The virus scanners are for windows, never had any auditor for sox or pci ask about software, sounds like a shit auditor.

Our PCI auditors like to see anti-virus on every machine, Windows, Linux, Mac, or Unix. That might not be a requirement, but every year they ask to see our AV solution for everything.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by YZF »

taylodl wrote: post #197
adamt wrote: post #160

I'd never thought I'd say this after the years of aggressive (and at times anti-competitive) dominance but I think the world needs a strong Microsoft again. Although Microsoft remains very strong in the corporate world, its presence in the Internet and mobile worlds are now pretty limited and leaving the two power-houses of Google and Apple to shape the industry. Satya has done a good job with Azure, and it will be i…

Why? What good would a strong Microsoft provide us? What void would that fill? We've been there, done that and frankly, I don't care to go back. They abused their power when they had it and I have no intent of giving it back to them to give them another crack at it. No, I much prefer today's world of Google, Apple, Samsung and FOSS in all its myriad forms battling it out. There's more developer frameworks than ever a…

Really?

The world of Google and Apple (Samsung and FOSS aren't even a player) is a world of closed computing platforms where people can't control their own devices and can't and don't code for them. More languages? I don't think so. How many languages can you use to write apps for your iPhone or Android device? Objective C and Java respectively and that's about it. With Google not only do you not control your apps/device even your data isn't under your control any more.

Yes, Microsoft's business practices weren't so great, but I don't agree the new world is much better. As a developer it actually feels worse. The only exception is Linux and server side development which is in a sense a niche (plus that existed before Google and Apple rose to their dominance and could have co-existed with Microsoft perfectly happily).

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Post by sjm-lbm »

sdegutis wrote: post #262
pdpi wrote: post #232

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Their influence on desktop is slowly eroding, though, and the new battlefield is the internet.

Yep. I honestly could see the desktop being relegated to only scientists, programmers, IT, and possibly gamers, with mobile and tablet devices replacing it for nearly everyone else. This kinda makes me sad, seeing as I'm in the programmers group, and our fun toys (desktops) are starting to go away, but ultimately it's probably the right direction for society.

It's worth noting that desktop computing is being relegated to the groups that you mentioned only because they are the only groups remaining that have a compelling use for a full-sized desktop, not because of some innate laws of the universe.

It's at least partially on Microsoft to come up with good reasons for normal people to use their platform over all other options, and they've fallen very flat on that note in the past 15 or so years - particularly in the consumer space. It'd be interesting to see a revitalized Microsoft really attacking this space, but the promotion of Nadella makes me think that this isn't really what the MS board has in mind.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by zurn »

melling wrote: post #226
ZoFreX wrote: post #218

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It's not Microsoft that was/is bad, it's having any single entity have too much power. In my opinion, right now, that is Google, and that's why we need a stronger someone - anyone. And Microsoft fit the bill.

Doesn't Microsoft have 90% of the desktop? About the same dominance in "Office apps", along with their proprietary formats keeping people uncomfortable using "compatible" software. That dominance is almost 2 decades old and it's quite hard to fix. When most people get a job, they're going to be using Microsoft because that's what they will be given. I've never been somewhere where I'm told which search engine to use.…

That remaining 90% share is having a severe chilling effect on general-purpouse computing. That share needs to get eaten up by Linux and Mac OS if we want to keep open computing healthy.

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Post by mkr-hn »

hga wrote: post #255
pr0zac wrote: post #243

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You're mistakening Microsoft's residual momentum for current acceleration. The technology sphere is a lot bigger than the desktop now. This year there will be almost twice as many Android devices shipped than Windows + iOS/OSX devices combined. The future of technology is going to decrease the importance of the desktop even further, and Google has 90s-Microsoft level market share of every other type of consumer netwo…

I don't entirely buy that argument. The "decreased importance" you cite is only relative; I for one don't see the desktop becoming unimportant any time soon. For one thing, my aging parents need 24 inch or bigger screens to adequately see what they're doing. As a programmer and watcher of digital video I need a minimum of 24 inches of 1080p screen. Then there's the enterprise, where biggish screens are needed for bas…

You can connect a monitor and keyboard to a tablet. Desktop/Other is a dichotomy that didn't age well. My "desktop replacement" is a laptop from 2009, and I expect to replace it with a docking station and something like the Surface in the next few years.

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Post by romanovcode »

shmerl wrote: post #244
romanovcode wrote: post #201

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.NET, C# and Visual Studio

Neither is very useful if you need to support many platforms. Microsoft it too entrenched in their walled garden mentality. Cross platform development never will be their strong side and it's their downfall.

Agree. That's why it would be good if they brought multi-platform support sooner or later.

Still doesn't change the fact that these techs are one of the best ever made.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by _random_ »

Action plan:

1. Reverse damage done to development community: 1) resurrect XNA merge with MonoGame as an OSS initiative; 2) play down HTML5; 3) resurrect WPF for enterprise.

2. Innovate - tablets are a missed opportunity now, so are glasses. Do everything possible to buy Oculus VR, focus on prototyping software for eyelenses and brain implants for the future.

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