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Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by romanovcode » Tue, Feb 04, 2014, 5:34 PM UTC

taylodl wrote: post #197

adamt wrote: post #160

I'd never thought I'd say this after the years of aggressive (and at times anti-competitive) dominance but I think the world needs a strong Microsoft again. Although Microsoft remains very strong in the corporate world, its presence in the Internet and mobile worlds are now pretty limited and leaving the two power-houses of Google and Apple to shape the industry. Satya has done a good job with Azure, and it will be i…

Why? What good would a strong Microsoft provide us? What void would that fill? We've been there, done that and frankly, I don't care to go back. They abused their power when they had it and I have no intent of giving it back to them to give them another crack at it. No, I much prefer today's world of Google, Apple, Samsung and FOSS in all its myriad forms battling it out. There's more developer frameworks than ever a…

.NET, C# and Visual Studio

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by cygwin98 » Tue, Feb 04, 2014, 5:34 PM UTC

taylodl wrote: post #197

adamt wrote: post #160

I'd never thought I'd say this after the years of aggressive (and at times anti-competitive) dominance but I think the world needs a strong Microsoft again. Although Microsoft remains very strong in the corporate world, its presence in the Internet and mobile worlds are now pretty limited and leaving the two power-houses of Google and Apple to shape the industry. Satya has done a good job with Azure, and it will be i…

Why? What good would a strong Microsoft provide us? What void would that fill? We've been there, done that and frankly, I don't care to go back. They abused their power when they had it and I have no intent of giving it back to them to give them another crack at it. No, I much prefer today's world of Google, Apple, Samsung and FOSS in all its myriad forms battling it out. There's more developer frameworks than ever a…

I would prefer a strong Microsoft that keeps improving Bing and its web/mobile advertisement branch, which can counter-balance GOOG on web/mobile sphere. A GOOG with almost infinite cash flow from Ads would be as bad as MSFT in 90s. It's already the case that nowadays GOOG has become increasingly more arrogant.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by rlpb » Tue, Feb 04, 2014, 5:35 PM UTC

skywhopper wrote: post #71

I hope the new CEO has the courage and the power to set out a vision and stick to it for more than just a few years in a row. Microsoft under Ballmer has been a study in short attention span. Changing themes, names, and directions every three to five years. When I was a Windows sysadmin back in the day, it was incredibly frustrating to build anything on the Microsoft platform because by the time you wrapped your brai…

> When I was a Windows sysadmin back in the day, it was incredibly frustrating to build anything on the Microsoft platform because by the time you wrapped your brain around the new way of doing things, the next server OS release would change everything.

[...]

> Apple's success has come from a laser focus and constant improvement for the past 17 years.

Really? OS 9, OS X, iOS? Sure, it's not quite the same number of platforms as Microsoft have done in that time. But I don't think that they're on polar opposites of the spectrum here as you suggest (nor do I think that being at one end of this spectrum is necessarily good).

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by i_s » Tue, Feb 04, 2014, 5:36 PM UTC

leobelle wrote: post #30

tomswartz07 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it particularly interesting that they highlighted his work with *Nix systems in his early career. I don't want to draw any conclusions, but I have a good feeling about that.

Man, a fully functional supported bash-like terminal on Windows would be heaven sent.

Agree that it is needed. In the meantime, I use M-x eshell in emacs when I have to develop on windows.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by Aaronontheweb » Tue, Feb 04, 2014, 5:40 PM UTC

sdegutis wrote: post #182

moistgorilla wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will switch to windows if they make it as easy to develop on as it is on unix. Maybe have a fully supported unix commandline emulator?

That's the same reason I want to switch to developing for Windows. Except, I don't consider Unix the ideal standard anymore. For instance, PowerShell isn't a real unix shell, but it seems to be a type-safe version of one with first-class access to the platform's first-class API, which is exciting.

One other cool technology, originally developed as an OSS project by MSFT employees is ScriptCS: http://scriptcs.net/

It can complement or replace PowerShell, but what I really like about it is that it introduces a Python-style C# REPL.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by bduerst » Tue, Feb 04, 2014, 5:40 PM UTC

taylodl wrote: post #197

adamt wrote: post #160

I'd never thought I'd say this after the years of aggressive (and at times anti-competitive) dominance but I think the world needs a strong Microsoft again. Although Microsoft remains very strong in the corporate world, its presence in the Internet and mobile worlds are now pretty limited and leaving the two power-houses of Google and Apple to shape the industry. Satya has done a good job with Azure, and it will be i…

Why? What good would a strong Microsoft provide us? What void would that fill? We've been there, done that and frankly, I don't care to go back. They abused their power when they had it and I have no intent of giving it back to them to give them another crack at it. No, I much prefer today's world of Google, Apple, Samsung and FOSS in all its myriad forms battling it out. There's more developer frameworks than ever a…

Microsoft has a track record of not giving the user what they want, the opposite of which is what Google and Apple built their market share off of.

The last thing we need is more UX failures like Windows 8 cluttering the market.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by glhaynes » Tue, Feb 04, 2014, 5:41 PM UTC

taylodl wrote: post #197

adamt wrote: post #160

I'd never thought I'd say this after the years of aggressive (and at times anti-competitive) dominance but I think the world needs a strong Microsoft again. Although Microsoft remains very strong in the corporate world, its presence in the Internet and mobile worlds are now pretty limited and leaving the two power-houses of Google and Apple to shape the industry. Satya has done a good job with Azure, and it will be i…

Why? What good would a strong Microsoft provide us? What void would that fill? We've been there, done that and frankly, I don't care to go back. They abused their power when they had it and I have no intent of giving it back to them to give them another crack at it. No, I much prefer today's world of Google, Apple, Samsung and FOSS in all its myriad forms battling it out. There's more developer frameworks than ever a…

I never want to see a Microsoft monopoly over "desktop computing" (hah, what an aged term!) again, but I'd definitely like to see their talent get to assert itself further than it currently is able to. Microsoft started as a development tools company and they're still pretty damn good at it. I hope the next decade allows that group to flourish at the very least.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by jimbokun » Tue, Feb 04, 2014, 5:41 PM UTC

rlpb wrote: post #203

skywhopper wrote: post #71

I hope the new CEO has the courage and the power to set out a vision and stick to it for more than just a few years in a row. Microsoft under Ballmer has been a study in short attention span. Changing themes, names, and directions every three to five years. When I was a Windows sysadmin back in the day, it was incredibly frustrating to build anything on the Microsoft platform because by the time you wrapped your brai…

> When I was a Windows sysadmin back in the day, it was incredibly frustrating to build anything on the Microsoft platform because by the time you wrapped your brain around the new way of doing things, the next server OS release would change everything. [...] > Apple's success has come from a laser focus and constant improvement for the past 17 years. Really? OS 9, OS X, iOS? Sure, it's not quite the same number of p…

OS X and iOS share the same core. OS 9 was a stop gap while getting NextStep ready to replace Mac OS.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by barrkel » Tue, Feb 04, 2014, 5:42 PM UTC

usingpond wrote: post #136

swashboon wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can't even remember when I last used any MS product > Microsoft has a massive foothold in enterprise > You must not work in the corporate world You said you never interact with MS products, those products have a massive foothold in the corporate world, therefore you probably do not work in the corporate world. If you are doing corporate work, not just software development (though even that too) in a corporate set…

Well, count me outside that norm too. I work in a pretty corporate environment and nobody here uses Microsoft stuff. In fact, I've never worked anywhere where the vast majority of people weren't on a Mac.

In the past 20 years I've been employed, Mac has never been a majority. First PCs with Windows, now increasingly Linux on developer machines and management with Macs.

But we still have Mac machines, because our customer data comes in in Excel, our applications are written to be compatible with IE8, etc.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by kamakazizuru » Tue, Feb 04, 2014, 5:44 PM UTC

geophile wrote: post #132

wil421 wrote: post #70

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You must not work in the corporate world. Microsoft has a massive foothold in enterprise: email, instant messaging (lync), excel, word, visio, project, even sharepoint and those are just the pieces you can see not to mention whats going in the backend. Being one of the only Mac users in my office I constantly have to find work arounds for everything. Sadly they will be relevant for a long time we have almost 30,000 p…

The decline of Microsoft will be a generational thing. At some point, those offices are going to be inhabited by kids who grew up with google docs, dropbox, a variety of IM options, and who have never seen a native email client. When these kids grow up and enter the workforce, they will want to use the tools they know, and will not understand the point of in-house Windows sysadmins, or the software licensing fees. My…

"I give Microsoft ten years until their first quarterly loss."

Hahah - If i had a penny for every time I've heard that. I'm an apple user myself - but MS offers all of what you are describing your daughter to be using as well - in fact I know many companies are already rolling their staff onto Office360 and so on. As for google docs etc - if you ever had to really crunch data - nothing comes close to Excel even today. I'm not saying they should keep doing what they are doing - I do think it's foolish to assume that they dont know whats going on in the world outside and aren't capable to grow with it.