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Your Warming World: Climate change where you live 1894 – 2013

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Re: Your Warming World: Climate change where you live 1894 – 2013

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If you recycle anything except metal you are making the problem worse not better. Solar panels are a poor choice, they help somewhat but they are far too expensive for what they provide. If you actually want to make a difference then agitate for more nuclear power. There is absolutely nothing else that will help.

I'd rather agitate for a dyson sphere with a little hole facing Earth, but I guess I was born too early for that.

You do that. The rest of us will look for solutions that actually exist.

Re: Your Warming World: Climate change where you live 1894 – 2013

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Not the same thing, they was not an ordinary person who discovered it, was a scientist with many years of research. I prefer this metaphor: just as there are many healers around claiming to know the "true" cause of mental illness, I still prefer to believe the researchers. Do you're refuting climate scientists simply because you believe they are wrong?

I make no claims about anything - I merely read an interpret the published results. The reason 'healers' are wrong about mental illness is because their hyphotheses are either untested, or proven to be wrong. Not because lots of researchers agree with the opposite. The 'ordinariness' of a person is immaterial - Einstein was a patent clerk who had a book published refuting his views by 100 experts. He was still right.…

You got my point, climate deniers are doing the same as the 'healers'. When is spoken "consensus" on this issue, means it is the best hypothesis so far, and not just an opinion without foundation among a bunch of cientists. Einstein was not just saying that other physicists were wrong because he did not believe in something, he presented a verifiable hypothesis. (read more about his graduations). Someone who wants to discuss climate, should do the same as Einstein, he must study hard all the science and provide verifiable hypothesis before questioning who does. Questioning the researchers' work, people are acting as the 'healer' who says that doctors don't know anything about his own fields.

Re: Your Warming World: Climate change where you live 1894 – 2013

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Some people don't resort to pseudoscience when making arguments againsts GMOs.

I find most people resort to pseudoscience and ignorance of the history of what they are currently eating when speaking against GMOs.

Your comment is both ignorant and false.

Re: Your Warming World: Climate change where you live 1894 – 2013

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The amount of time, energy and money wasted on this "problem" is staggering to me. Imagine if we put that time, money and resources to better use to solve real problems that affect peoples lives day in and day out.

Can't tell if sarcasm...

Do you remember being at school, and being told that coal would run out by 2005, oil would run out by 2010, etc etc?

Didn't happen.

Remember seeing Al Gores film where he said the ice caps would vanish by 2012?

Re: Your Warming World: Climate change where you live 1894 – 2013

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I find most people resort to pseudoscience and ignorance of the history of what they are currently eating when speaking against GMOs.

Your comment is both ignorant and false.

Same response to all those global warming deniers - the studies and science show GMOs are not harmful.

Re: Your Warming World: Climate change where you live 1894 – 2013

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I'd rather agitate for a dyson sphere with a little hole facing Earth, but I guess I was born too early for that.

You do that. The rest of us will look for solutions that actually exist.

Fission is still based on limited resources ultimately. I agree that we probably will need it to get to fusion, and that in turn to get to dyson spheres, but in the real long run, it just seems silly to not tap into a fusion reactor that is putting out huge amounts of energy, wether we use it or not.

And then there is this "small detail":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-level_radioactive_waste_ma...

Governments around the world are considering a range of waste management and disposal options, usually involving deep-geologic placement, although there has been limited progress toward implementing long-term waste management solutions. This is partly because the timeframes in question when dealing with radioactive waste range from 10,000 to millions of years, according to studies based on the effect of estimated radiation doses.

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Hannes Alfvén, Nobel laureate in physics, described the as yet unsolved dilemma of high-level radioactive waste management: "The problem is how to keep radioactive waste in storage until it decays after hundreds of thousands of years. The geologic deposit must be absolutely reliable as the quantities of poison are tremendous. It is very difficult to satisfy these requirements for the simple reason that we have had no practical experience with such a long term project. Moreover permanently guarded storage requires a society with unprecedented stability."

So much for solutions that actually exist. There is no long term solution to nuclear fission, not yet anyway, while on the other hand, the sun does exist, so does technology to harness solar power. The tricky part, other than building it all of course (robots and nanobots surely will help there, both with building as well as with getting/making the materials required), is getting the energy from there to here. Microwave? Converting it into chemical energy on-site and sending titanic pocket warmers to Earth? That's not even that important, since even 0.00001% efficiency would net us more energy than we could otherwise have in our wildest dreams. [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_%28energy%2... ]

Do you really think it would take us even 5000 years to get to the point of being able to build a dyson sphere? Hmm. At any rate, that's something that would work; on the other hand, we might find ways to use/defuse/store nuclear waste, we might not. We simply don't know yet.

So yeah, I'll be doing that.

Re: Your Warming World: Climate change where you live 1894 – 2013

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http://www.google.com/finance?q=INDEXDJX:.DJI Look at the Dow Jones index. If you look at it today, it looks like a dramatic drop. If you look at it in the span of several years, that drop looks somewhat trivial. Same thing goes for climate change. Go back 1 billion years, and you will find that the earth has warmed and cooled far more dramatically than in the last 100 years. I'm not denying anthropogenic global warm…

Does the rate of temperature change matters? In all those billion years, the rate has never been so steep.

Re: Your Warming World: Climate change where you live 1894 – 2013

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http://www.google.com/finance?q=INDEXDJX:.DJI Look at the Dow Jones index. If you look at it today, it looks like a dramatic drop. If you look at it in the span of several years, that drop looks somewhat trivial. Same thing goes for climate change. Go back 1 billion years, and you will find that the earth has warmed and cooled far more dramatically than in the last 100 years. I'm not denying anthropogenic global warm…

> Go back 1 billion years, and you will find that the earth has warmed and cooled far more dramatically than in the last 100 years.

You're confusing a wide range of historical temperatures with a rate of change. Today's rate of change is unprecedented. A temperature change of 10 or 20 degrees Celsius over ten million years isn't likely to wipe out species, but that same change over 500 years is much more likely to greatly reduce populations of species that cannot adapt fast enough -- including us.

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