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Post by redthrowaway »

kkaiser wrote: post #256
redthrowaway wrote: post #231

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>You can be spending $100ks per monthon adwords and still not have a competent person to call when you need help. We just got bit by this recently. One day our organic referrals just took a nosedive (4000 -> 1000 clicks/day overnight). We got in touch with our Adwords contact, who said they'd look into it, then ... left. No longer with the team. Now we have no contact and no way to figure out what went wrong and how…

There is a very easy way to get support: https://support.google.com/adwords/ Theres a link to contact directly on this page.

Thanks for the link, but their response was to "check the product forums". I understand that they don't want to field calls from millions of site owners asking why they aren't ranked higher, but we spend probably $25k/month on Adwords. It'd be nice if they could give us a pointer to an actual person who could help us figure out what went wrong.

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Post by mastersk3 »

OoTheNigerian wrote: post #143
mastersk3 wrote: post #124

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Offtopic: Isn't 2checkout & its recurring module avilable for Nigerian merchants?

The one that Nigerians started using recently is Avangate. Just have a look at the pricing. 2CO looks interesting. thanks! I will let my friends have a look. [1] http://www.avangate.com/pricing/

That is absolutely ridiculous pricing! I guess there is one gateway anyone can use regardless of country is: http://www.mastercard.com/us/company/en/whatwedo/payment_pro... Ofcourse it does not have a transparent pricing or subscription module, but you could overcome that by integrating with any third party app spreedly, chargebee etc

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Post by ishansharma »

vetinari wrote: post #38
ishansharma wrote: post #9

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I am from India and credit cards are still not that mainstream here. And it is same situation. Everyone has a debit card but Apple and Google both refuse to accept them for their stores (last time I checked, same with Windows Phone, though Microsoft at least accepts them for Windows, Office and Skydrive stuff!)

Are you sure about that? Are the debit cards issued by Visa or Mastercard? Where I'm (EU), both Apple and Google do accept debit cards.

Yes. Debit cards are issued by Mastercard. Though I can't completely blame Google or Apple since our government is a bit protective and requires some extra paperwork. Still, accepting Debit cards would help reducing piracy. A friend wanted to buy some apps for Windows Phone but he recently switched to Android because you can pirate and Windows Phone store didn't accept debit card!

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Post by xerophtye »

rmrfrmrf wrote: post #44
napoleoncomplex wrote: post #12

I know Google's policy on this, but I completely understand where the developer is coming from. Google has been taking a collective shit on every developer out of its list of seller countries[0], which is ridiculously short and hasn't been expanded in god knows how long, and even then, there were only a handful of countries added. On Google's page about seller countries they say: "We're working hard to add more count…

> No, you're fucking not working hard, you added the last ones a year and a half ago. I'm not even a Google fanboy, but what do you know about the challenges that Google might be facing? It's a really strong accusation to say that a company is not working hard just because you can't have exactly what you want. Last I checked, neither Google nor Apple make guarantees about how much of a living a developer is going to…

From the colour of your post i can tell that a lot of people disagree with you. I know you are just trying to give everyone google's prespective, but you should reconsider. You raise the point that maybe there are legal issues, or trade laws etc that prevent google's growth to other economic markets. Well there are workarounds, if google bothers looking for them.

For example, they find that the economic service they are using to pay devs, is not available in country X. they do a little research and find that skrill (formerly moneybookers) is available in country X, and it is also available in their country. They get in touch with skrill and work something out to be able to pay in country X. I cant imagine a law that says they cant contact services which are legally allowed to do transactions from your country to country X. Yes, i buy the reason that google itself may not be allowed, but it certainly can employ other services to do that for them. That's what channels are for!

PS: having EU HQ in ireland and not being legally allowed to pay people in ireland? that makes zero sense

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Post by rwallace »

Pxtl wrote: post #192
netcan wrote: post #172

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It's interesting seeing Google as a grown up company, with many of the flaws they acquired early on still intact and at Google scale. You can be spending $100ks per month on adwords and still not have a competent person to call when you need help. EVen if you do, they don't know much and can't do much. Realistically, it's not much better than an outsourced call centre and much worse than the far less profitable Big A…

This. Google needs one Jobsian hard-ass in charge of product marketing/quality to keep this swarm of ADD mayhem under control and set priorities. Around Android 2.3 I was a huge fanboy because the platform had so much potential. Now? The platform still has so much potential, and I'm only a fan because it's an open-source platform with real consumer adoption - not because I think it's actually good . Microsoft shovele…

The impression I get is that they did get somebody in charge of strategy a few years ago; unfortunately the strategy he came up with was this daft nonsense about chasing Facebook of all things, which might explain why big chunks of their actual business are still floundering.

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Post by Fuxy »

DominikR wrote: post #242
Fuxy wrote: post #116

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Let me get this straight. If i happen to purchase an app on goggle play and say I'm using my home wifi to install it since I value my bandwidth their still getting 25%? I get goggle making money but a carrier who doesn't do jack making money? In what world does that make sense?

It's not about bandwidth used, it's about the billing service (charging via the customers carrier contract) 25% is a low rate for that, carriers usually charge 40-60% of the total amount, which seems totally insane to me considering that a carrier has much lower fraud risks than some web service because they usually have established billing relationships with they customers. Edit: Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M…

Oh, that's really expensive. I guess it's ok for small amounts though but for large amounts 25% is way overkill.

Credit/Debit cards incur a fixed charge of say (max) £1.50 so that would mean that if you're paying more than £6 you're better off with the card.

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Post by st0neage »

icebraining wrote: post #258
st0neage wrote: post #251

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Nitpicking about details is not an argument.

The idea that the actual rules are just an implementation detail is why you end up with legislation written by lobbyists and designed to further entrench the incumbents against competition. Say that one of the rules is that you create a list of mandatory payment providers that the"monopolists" must accept; such list shall be regularly updated, and so a board must be created, possibly composed of the industry players.…

"[...] is why you end up with legislation written by lobbyists" no, it is not. Stating "uh the details of this are complicated, lets not do this" gets us nowhere. Following that logic you cannot have any laws at all. " Say that one of the rules is [...]" Strawman.

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Post by st0neage »

icebraining wrote: post #257
st0neage wrote: post #249

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>>No, it's not irrelevant. Yes it is. >> It's only illegal [...] It is illegal to abuse the monopoly position. Which IS what google is doing. Googles app store is NOT just another store. Monoplies need special regulation and special oversight.

Did you know that only Walmart is allowed to build stores on Walmart-owned land? And that they pick and choose what products are sold on that land? That's clearly an abuse of their monopoly on stores built on their land!

Well... if walmart was by vast majority the only store present in any town and the vast majority of people are only able to shop there, it would of course be a problem too and would need regulation just the same.

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Post by st0neage »

icebraining wrote: post #257
st0neage wrote: post #249

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>>No, it's not irrelevant. Yes it is. >> It's only illegal [...] It is illegal to abuse the monopoly position. Which IS what google is doing. Googles app store is NOT just another store. Monoplies need special regulation and special oversight.

Did you know that only Walmart is allowed to build stores on Walmart-owned land? And that they pick and choose what products are sold on that land? That's clearly an abuse of their monopoly on stores built on their land!

Google's app store is NOT comparable to "just any other store" because it is a quasi monopoly, which was my point in the first place. Therefore different rules (should) apply. How are you not getting this?

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Post by lokedhs »

poopsintub wrote: post #199
furyofantares wrote: post #95

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Here's a story about them trying to negotiate an increase in their cut with carriers in South Korea: http://www.androidauthority.com/google-share-play-store-andr... I don't know what happens for carrier-less devices. I had actually thought OEMs had a slice in the pie too but couldn't find any evidence of that as so didn't mention it earlier.

I would have to think South Korea is a whole different ball game.

Yes. In South Korea you can't just put a SIM card in a device and use it like you can in the rest of the world. The phones have to be activated with the carrier.

I don't know of any other place where this happens.

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