Your Warming World: Climate change where you live 1894

Re: Your Warming World: Climate change where you live 1894 – 2013

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Post by sxcurry » Mon, Feb 03, 2014, 10:42 PM UTC

gavanwoolery wrote: post #10

FollowSteph3 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget we're also near the end of a mini ice age so we should be expecting the earth to heat up. A lot of people forget this. Antarctica was once warm...

By some predictions we are going into another mini-Ice Age (Ice Ages are typically preceded by climbing temperatures, which might seem counter-intuitive but a similar phenomenon is when you experience several warm, sunny days and then it suddenly gets very cold).

I guess I'm more likely to believe the climate scientists of the IPCC rather than "some predictions".

Re: Your Warming World: Climate change where you live 1894 – 2013

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Post by Loughla » Mon, Feb 03, 2014, 10:43 PM UTC

gavanwoolery wrote: post #6

http://www.google.com/finance?q=INDEXDJX:.DJI Look at the Dow Jones index. If you look at it today, it looks like a dramatic drop. If you look at it in the span of several years, that drop looks somewhat trivial. Same thing goes for climate change. Go back 1 billion years, and you will find that the earth has warmed and cooled far more dramatically than in the last 100 years. I'm not denying anthropogenic global warm…

Okay? Why even bring this up unless trying to cast a disparaging light onto global warming? You are, in fact, denying human caused global warming in your last comment, "I'm just saying that correlation does not equal causation." Every time I see this argument it's usually the first statement in the 'human's aren't really causing global warming, so we shouldn't try to fix it' circle-jerk.

What is the worst thing that happens if we try to address global warming, human caused or not? We get to keep the beneficial conditions that we've had since the beginning of humanity as we know it? Our children get to inherit a functioning and healthy planet? Society can continue on the way it has for many, many generations without plague or famine?

Stop it.

Re: Your Warming World: Climate change where you live 1894 – 2013

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Post by gavanwoolery » Mon, Feb 03, 2014, 10:45 PM UTC

Loughla wrote: post #12

gavanwoolery wrote: post #6

http://www.google.com/finance?q=INDEXDJX:.DJI Look at the Dow Jones index. If you look at it today, it looks like a dramatic drop. If you look at it in the span of several years, that drop looks somewhat trivial. Same thing goes for climate change. Go back 1 billion years, and you will find that the earth has warmed and cooled far more dramatically than in the last 100 years. I'm not denying anthropogenic global warm…

Okay? Why even bring this up unless trying to cast a disparaging light onto global warming? You are, in fact, denying human caused global warming in your last comment, "I'm just saying that correlation does not equal causation." Every time I see this argument it's usually the first statement in the 'human's aren't really causing global warming, so we shouldn't try to fix it' circle-jerk. What is the worst thing that…

I encourage us to adopt clean energy and reusable resources either way. Please don't straw-man me without knowing my feelings on the matter. (I put this in the edit above for clarification).

Re: Your Warming World: Climate change where you live 1894 – 2013

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Post by gavanwoolery » Mon, Feb 03, 2014, 10:47 PM UTC

sxcurry wrote: post #11

gavanwoolery wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By some predictions we are going into another mini-Ice Age (Ice Ages are typically preceded by climbing temperatures, which might seem counter-intuitive but a similar phenomenon is when you experience several warm, sunny days and then it suddenly gets very cold).

I guess I'm more likely to believe the climate scientists of the IPCC rather than "some predictions".

Evaluate all predictions critically, whichever side they are on. History has proven the minority right sometimes (again, I'm not suggesting one side or the other is right, I simply don't know who is right because I do not have a crystal ball).

Re: Your Warming World: Climate change where you live 1894 – 2013

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Post by ars » Mon, Feb 03, 2014, 10:47 PM UTC

fleitz wrote: post #3

caiob wrote: post #2

My city wasn't founded until 1934, how does NASA have stats from 1894?

Stop questioning, start panicking. If you want to make a difference start recycling, buy some solar panels, and think about how amazing it is to be poor in exchange for saving the planet. If more people gave 10% of their income we can stave off the apocalypse, end of humanity, rapture, end times, whatever you want to call it. The rich will never inherit the kingdom of Mother Earth.

If you recycle anything except metal you are making the problem worse not better.

Solar panels are a poor choice, they help somewhat but they are far too expensive for what they provide.

If you actually want to make a difference then agitate for more nuclear power. There is absolutely nothing else that will help.

Re: Your Warming World: Climate change where you live 1894 – 2013

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Post by ars » Mon, Feb 03, 2014, 10:48 PM UTC

Loughla wrote: post #12

gavanwoolery wrote: post #6

http://www.google.com/finance?q=INDEXDJX:.DJI Look at the Dow Jones index. If you look at it today, it looks like a dramatic drop. If you look at it in the span of several years, that drop looks somewhat trivial. Same thing goes for climate change. Go back 1 billion years, and you will find that the earth has warmed and cooled far more dramatically than in the last 100 years. I'm not denying anthropogenic global warm…

Okay? Why even bring this up unless trying to cast a disparaging light onto global warming? You are, in fact, denying human caused global warming in your last comment, "I'm just saying that correlation does not equal causation." Every time I see this argument it's usually the first statement in the 'human's aren't really causing global warming, so we shouldn't try to fix it' circle-jerk. What is the worst thing that…

It's horrible how climate change is now a religion not a science.

"Deniers and believers".

Re: Your Warming World: Climate change where you live 1894 – 2013

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Post by prawn » Mon, Feb 03, 2014, 10:49 PM UTC

FollowSteph3 wrote: post #8

gavanwoolery wrote: post #6

http://www.google.com/finance?q=INDEXDJX:.DJI Look at the Dow Jones index. If you look at it today, it looks like a dramatic drop. If you look at it in the span of several years, that drop looks somewhat trivial. Same thing goes for climate change. Go back 1 billion years, and you will find that the earth has warmed and cooled far more dramatically than in the last 100 years. I'm not denying anthropogenic global warm…

Don't forget we're also near the end of a mini ice age so we should be expecting the earth to heat up. A lot of people forget this. Antarctica was once warm...

Climate scientists are very well aware of this.

Re: Your Warming World: Climate change where you live 1894 – 2013

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Post by archgoon » Mon, Feb 03, 2014, 10:49 PM UTC

caiob wrote: post #2

My city wasn't founded until 1934, how does NASA have stats from 1894?

From the about page:

http://warmingworld.newscientistapps.com/about.html

"Surface temperature measurements are not evenly distributed across the globe. So the NASA team interpolates from the available data to calculate average temperatures for cells in a global grid, with each cell measuring 2 degrees latitude by 2 degrees longitude. The analysis extrapolates up to 1200 kilometres from any one station, which allows for more complete coverage in the Arctic – where monitoring stations are sparsely distributed, but where the warming trend is especially strong."

Re: Your Warming World: Climate change where you live 1894 – 2013

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Post by theknown99 » Mon, Feb 03, 2014, 10:49 PM UTC

gavanwoolery wrote: post #6

http://www.google.com/finance?q=INDEXDJX:.DJI Look at the Dow Jones index. If you look at it today, it looks like a dramatic drop. If you look at it in the span of several years, that drop looks somewhat trivial. Same thing goes for climate change. Go back 1 billion years, and you will find that the earth has warmed and cooled far more dramatically than in the last 100 years. I'm not denying anthropogenic global warm…

Also wouldn't it basically be unprecedented if the climate didn't change?

Of course the climate is changing. Like it has done for millions of years. Big whoop.

Re: Your Warming World: Climate change where you live 1894 – 2013

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Post by theknown99 » Mon, Feb 03, 2014, 10:51 PM UTC

Loughla wrote: post #12

gavanwoolery wrote: post #6

http://www.google.com/finance?q=INDEXDJX:.DJI Look at the Dow Jones index. If you look at it today, it looks like a dramatic drop. If you look at it in the span of several years, that drop looks somewhat trivial. Same thing goes for climate change. Go back 1 billion years, and you will find that the earth has warmed and cooled far more dramatically than in the last 100 years. I'm not denying anthropogenic global warm…

Okay? Why even bring this up unless trying to cast a disparaging light onto global warming? You are, in fact, denying human caused global warming in your last comment, "I'm just saying that correlation does not equal causation." Every time I see this argument it's usually the first statement in the 'human's aren't really causing global warming, so we shouldn't try to fix it' circle-jerk. What is the worst thing that…

The amount of time, energy and money wasted on this "problem" is staggering to me. Imagine if we put that time, money and resources to better use to solve real problems that affect peoples lives day in and day out.