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Why “just use Adblock” should never be a professional answer

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Re: Why “just use Adblock” should never be a professional answer

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There are so many problems with ads that I cannot in good conscience offer any other advice than "block 'em all." • Ad networks can be, and are, used as a malware distribution vector. No one is vetting all the ads. Not the publishers, not the networks. • They slow everything down. AdBlock and Ghostery make web browsing faster. Not to mention waiting 30s to watch a youtube video, or worse yet to realize that you didn'…

> They slow everything down. AdBlock and Ghostery make web browsing faster. Not to mention waiting 30s to watch a youtube video, or worse yet to realize that you didn't actually want to watch it.

Understandable, but um, if you didn't have those ads, you wouldn't have YouTube. Oh pay for it? Who's gonna pay to watch stupid videos online? Nobody.

Ads are important. Without them, you'll be paying a membership fee to every site you visit regularly.

Re: Why “just use Adblock” should never be a professional answer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and a lot of very talented people would not be able to focus on doing what they currently do full time (and love to do) as they'll have to worry about making money. OR As a content consumer, you'll have to pay for the content directly which is currently available for free. Yes, I know everyone hates ads and I'll probably get downvoted here too but - You should punish publishers who serve malware, popups, JS & oth…

Don't some of the Adblock whitelists available with the plugin actually do this (Block known bad publishers but leave non-intrusive ads available)? I'm not certain but I think there is even a checkbox for this in the options? I know I still see some of the Google search contextual ads and I use adblock.

The problem with modern day ad blockers is it is just an all out block every ad. Now if they were blacklist by default instead of whitelist, it'd be better. Nobody ever changes the default settings, so people who serve non-intrusive ads don't ever get a chance to display their ads.

Re: Why “just use Adblock” should never be a professional answer

#23
Here is the thing, I don't mind ads - but I do mind pages loading 10+ files of javascript when I am attempting to read an article.

I browse with noscript enabled, and for the most part the web is a much faster and a much, much safer place (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Haum9UpIQzU).

I am still amazed when I try to read a simple blog article and am greeted with a blank white page, it turns me right off the site and I go spend my time elsewhere.

I will happily shell out money for content that I like.

Re: Why “just use Adblock” should never be a professional answer

#24
So many comments on this thread parrot the notion that people will just pay for the things that they love, but the math there rarely, if ever, ads up. The fact of the matter is that outside a few exceptions advertising makes more money than charging to use a product or relying on donations. And revenue is necessary not only for servers, but for man hours and ability of the creators to concentrate. No one can pretend that Google would make as much money through any other means of monetization. And people don't often work for free.

There's also value in lowering the barriers to entry, and allowing all people to use or access a program. Say, for example, Google cost $20/month. Would I pay for it? Absolutely. But a lot of my friends wouldn't. My grandma would use yahoo or bing instead. And some of the value that is gained in Google's ubiquity (which is actually quite a lot) goes away. Google would make less money. We might not have gmail, or google docs/drive. Or a self-driving car. Or Google Fiber. Etc. etc. etc.

I'm reminded of the notion of App.net. Sometimes critical mass is inherently valuable, if not part of the core functionality of the product. App.net was originally a pay-to-use Twitter, that a lot of smart people started to use. But it wasn't enough for me to ever find value in it. Twitter was better and free. I'll let them throw ads at me every now and then - it's a great utility and platform. There's no way I would consciously pay enough to use everything that I use online.

It's also easy to say that "No one clicks on ads" or "I never click on ads." Even "I'd be happy to pay for the sites I use." But not everyone using those sites feels that way, so your price would likely be astronomical, or the site would collapse under its own weight. A "pay to not see ads" model might work, but a "pay to use the site" likely wouldn't.

One look at Revenue numbers of Facebook, Twitter, Google, or the recipes site my little sister built (it makes her $150/day) says differently. I admittedly click on ads at tims, especially retargeted ads. Even if you don't, someone does. And they drive sales, otherwise people wouldn't use them.

So consider yourself opted out if you like, but don't pretend like they don't make sense.

Re: Why “just use Adblock” should never be a professional answer

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There are so many problems with ads that I cannot in good conscience offer any other advice than "block 'em all." • Ad networks can be, and are, used as a malware distribution vector. No one is vetting all the ads. Not the publishers, not the networks. • They slow everything down. AdBlock and Ghostery make web browsing faster. Not to mention waiting 30s to watch a youtube video, or worse yet to realize that you didn'…

> They slow everything down. AdBlock and Ghostery make web browsing faster. Not to mention waiting 30s to watch a youtube video, or worse yet to realize that you didn't actually want to watch it. Understandable, but um, if you didn't have those ads, you wouldn't have YouTube. Oh pay for it? Who's gonna pay to watch stupid videos online? Nobody. Ads are important. Without them, you'll be paying a membership fee to eve…

Youtube ads have gotten more and more obnoxious and intrusive as time has gone on. I remember even before adblock was a thing using Youtube and not having to wait 30+ seconds to decide if I want to watch the video or not.

This is not necessarily a reason to block all ads. But if they would make the ads less obnoxious I'd be much more likely to not worry about blocking them.

Re: Why “just use Adblock” should never be a professional answer

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The insight here, which the writer doesn’t get to, is the incredible economic inefficiency all of this implies.

Ineffective ads outnumber good ads by at least an order of magnitude, conservatively. By good I mean “delivering economic value”, which might take the form of clickthroughs or general brand awareness.

If we consider clicked ads, or those that eventually result in a purchase, to be good ones, then the rest are a waste.

That waste should be understood as a degradation of the publisher’s product. We go to great lengths to get the typography and design just so – and then allow an economically worthless ad to degrade it.

The opportunity is to improve ads by an order of magnitude. This isn’t a question of eking out slightly better targeting. It means not showing an ad at all, most of the time.

Though the evidence to date is not in my favor, I have to believe that the current state of web advertising is waiting for the bottom to fall out, like print media in the last decade.

Re: Why “just use Adblock” should never be a professional answer

#27

There are so many problems with ads that I cannot in good conscience offer any other advice than "block 'em all." • Ad networks can be, and are, used as a malware distribution vector. No one is vetting all the ads. Not the publishers, not the networks. • They slow everything down. AdBlock and Ghostery make web browsing faster. Not to mention waiting 30s to watch a youtube video, or worse yet to realize that you didn'…

> They slow everything down. AdBlock and Ghostery make web browsing faster. Not to mention waiting 30s to watch a youtube video, or worse yet to realize that you didn't actually want to watch it. Understandable, but um, if you didn't have those ads, you wouldn't have YouTube. Oh pay for it? Who's gonna pay to watch stupid videos online? Nobody. Ads are important. Without them, you'll be paying a membership fee to eve…

Oh, yeah. I realize I'm freeloading here and it may not be sustainable.

Although, maybe if it wasn't for centralized video repos, we could host them in some p2p fashion? Torrent has certainly become less popular since the advent of streaming. As an added benefit, such networks would be more resistant to censorship.

Re: Why “just use Adblock” should never be a professional answer

#28

Even if every ad was "well behaved" I'd still block each and every one of them. The privacy implications of being constantly tracked in order to sell me bullshit are too creepy. Frankly, if your business depends on ads, you should think about a different business model, because the NSA spying thing is partly your fault. There are many things that I already pay for on the web, and many more that I would happily pay fo…

I don't consider trackers "well behaved". My reasons for adblock: 1. Security. I don't mind static image ads because the security implications are minor. But running third party code without accountability is scary. (1) 2. Performance. Loading images from a dozen different domains means many dns resolutions. 3. Privacy. This is just creepy, networks watching every page I go to.

There is nothing in advertising that requires all of that. I'm perfectly fine with static locally hosted ads. But the whole industry is based around something else. I continue to use adblock plus despite their "Acceptable Ads" program because I consider it reasonable in requirements.(2) I think there's a lot more room for compromise in allowing ads but no extension makes it easy to address my concerns.

Citations: 1. https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN22569.html?impressions=true 2. https://adblockplus.org/en/acceptable-ads

Re: Why “just use Adblock” should never be a professional answer

#29
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Oh, look, this again. > "ads are what makes the current internet work." No, they're not. The Internet was designed as a tool for enabling communication, not money-making. Without ads, a lot of the blog spam that exists today would go away and the Internet would be better off for it.

Yes and a lot of very talented people would not be able to focus on doing what they currently do full time (and love to do) as they'll have to worry about making money. OR As a content consumer, you'll have to pay for the content directly which is currently available for free. Yes, I know everyone hates ads and I'll probably get downvoted here too but - You should punish publishers who serve malware, popups, JS & oth…

If everyone had to pay for the content they consumed: 1) People would be much more selective about their content chocies. 2) They'd likely become that much more productive, wasting less time on crap they don't really want. 3) Good content would then be at a premium (and good content producers paid accordingly).

The internet has been all about disrupting established channels of communication, making it possible for "anyone" to produce and distribute something meaningful. Advertising goes directly against this, by placing value on the "loudness" of the communication. Those with the most money, best equipment, and largest army will be the "loudest."

Re: Why “just use Adblock” should never be a professional answer

#30

There are so many problems with ads that I cannot in good conscience offer any other advice than "block 'em all." • Ad networks can be, and are, used as a malware distribution vector. No one is vetting all the ads. Not the publishers, not the networks. • They slow everything down. AdBlock and Ghostery make web browsing faster. Not to mention waiting 30s to watch a youtube video, or worse yet to realize that you didn'…

> They slow everything down. AdBlock and Ghostery make web browsing faster. Not to mention waiting 30s to watch a youtube video, or worse yet to realize that you didn't actually want to watch it. Understandable, but um, if you didn't have those ads, you wouldn't have YouTube. Oh pay for it? Who's gonna pay to watch stupid videos online? Nobody. Ads are important. Without them, you'll be paying a membership fee to eve…

> Without them, you'll be paying a membership fee to every site you visit regularly.

I, for one, would be happy to. I'd honestly pay a monthly fee to watch Youtube. I don't use it only for cat videos, I also use it to find new music from artists I've never heard of, watch recordings of concerts I've been to just to relive the moments and so on.

If Youtube would let me pay to make those ads go away, I'd do so without thinking twice. In the absence of the said option, though, yes, I block their ads.

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