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Re: Default File Manager with Unity8 in future desktops

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Feb 01, 2014, 11:55 PM UTC

kudu wrote: post #7

morsch wrote: post #4

I don't like the NIH syndrome, but I like using what's probably the most popular distro and especially the software variety in the community PPAs. So what's the best way to get a more vanilla Linux desktop experience without losing the convenience of the Ubuntu PPA ecosystem? Use a Ubuntu remix? Can you use PPAs with Debian? Or do you not even need them with the cutting-edge Debian variant (whatever it's called again…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIMBY I don't understand how it applies in this context?

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Re: Default File Manager with Unity8 in future desktops

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Post by snird » Sat, Feb 01, 2014, 11:56 PM UTC

taeric wrote: post #3

sixbrx wrote: post #2

Is Ubuntu replacing everything above the Kernel one piece at a time?

Would that necessarily be a bad thing?

it might just be. the idea of open source encourage them to contribute and make current projects better - if nautilus isn't suit for them for some reason they should try to cooperate with this project developers to add features and changes, and IMHO only if they get some really tough "no" on their most needed features they should start their own replacement. preferably as a fork. just as google does with webkit - they contribute and make the current open source project better and only when the project management (AKA Apple) blocked them too hard they had to fork it.

Re: Default File Manager with Unity8 in future desktops

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Post by kudu » Sat, Feb 01, 2014, 11:57 PM UTC

I liked the days when Ubuntu was a nice, simple distro that I could recommend to beginners. Nowadays, every desktop distro is becoming more and more of an "island". The main "alternative" to Ubuntu, Linux Mint, is also replacing pretty much every piece of the OS with its own (NIH).

I would actually like for there to be a nice, simple distro that anybody could use, with only general, vanilla Linux software.

Re: Default File Manager with Unity8 in future desktops

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Post by akerl_ » Sat, Feb 01, 2014, 11:58 PM UTC

hdevalence wrote: post #6

taeric wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would that necessarily be a bad thing?

Yes. See my earlier comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7083763

Are we really going to fault Canonical for developing new open source projects, or for those projects not being adopted outside of Ubuntu? I don't have a need for another file manager any more than I needed another init system, but if this was being done by anybody besides Canonical, the comments would say ~"So stoked to see a new option disrupting the file manager space".

They're betting they can provide a better UX with their own tool. If they fail, or can't maintain it, or whatever, then that's on them, and people will shift onto other distros.

I'm looking forward to seeing what they do better, in the hopes that other projects can benefit as well.

Re: Default File Manager with Unity8 in future desktops

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Feb 01, 2014, 11:58 PM UTC

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Re: Default File Manager with Unity8 in future desktops

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Post by callahad » Sun, Feb 02, 2014, 12:01 AM UTC

kudu wrote: post #7

morsch wrote: post #4

I don't like the NIH syndrome, but I like using what's probably the most popular distro and especially the software variety in the community PPAs. So what's the best way to get a more vanilla Linux desktop experience without losing the convenience of the Ubuntu PPA ecosystem? Use a Ubuntu remix? Can you use PPAs with Debian? Or do you not even need them with the cutting-edge Debian variant (whatever it's called again…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIMBY I don't understand how it applies in this context?

I think the OP meant NIH (Not Invented Here), rather than NIMBY.

Re: Default File Manager with Unity8 in future desktops

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Post by nisa » Sun, Feb 02, 2014, 12:01 AM UTC

taeric wrote: post #3

sixbrx wrote: post #2

Is Ubuntu replacing everything above the Kernel one piece at a time?

Would that necessarily be a bad thing?

If you take Unity as an example. It's a wonderful idea that is full of bloat, bugs and small usability problems but nobody really seems to care about it.

Re: Default File Manager with Unity8 in future desktops

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Post by akerl_ » Sun, Feb 02, 2014, 12:02 AM UTC

kudu wrote: post #13

I liked the days when Ubuntu was a nice, simple distro that I could recommend to beginners. Nowadays, every desktop distro is becoming more and more of an "island". The main "alternative" to Ubuntu, Linux Mint, is also replacing pretty much every piece of the OS with its own (NIH). I would actually like for there to be a nice, simple distro that anybody could use, with only general, vanilla Linux software.

I'm sure that there's going to be plenty of dissent on this, but Arch is a pretty simple distro and attempts to keep packages as vanilla as possible. Their wiki is also an awesome resource (I find myself using it even when troubleshooting things on non-Arch systems, to great effect).

It's definitely not a one-click deployment, and they've made some design decisions I'm not a fan of, but as far as simple systems go, they're on a great track.

Re: Default File Manager with Unity8 in future desktops

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Post by phaer » Sun, Feb 02, 2014, 12:03 AM UTC

kudu wrote: post #13

I liked the days when Ubuntu was a nice, simple distro that I could recommend to beginners. Nowadays, every desktop distro is becoming more and more of an "island". The main "alternative" to Ubuntu, Linux Mint, is also replacing pretty much every piece of the OS with its own (NIH). I would actually like for there to be a nice, simple distro that anybody could use, with only general, vanilla Linux software.

> I would actually like for there to be a nice, simple distro that anybody could use, with only general, vanilla Linux software.

Your are looking, depending on your use case, either for Debian or Fedora.

Re: Default File Manager with Unity8 in future desktops

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Post by morsch » Sun, Feb 02, 2014, 12:03 AM UTC

taeric wrote: post #3

sixbrx wrote: post #2

Is Ubuntu replacing everything above the Kernel one piece at a time?

Would that necessarily be a bad thing?

It's bad if for no other reason than they're spreading their resources thin. They've already got a huge number of projects to maintain -- a window manager, an entire graphics stack, an init system, a cloud storage stack, all used almost exlusively in Ubuntu, and all in addition to the more traditional distro duties of maintaining a set of kernel patches and an up-to-date and secure software repository. I'd rather they concentrate on the latter.