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Empirical evidence is not on your side here considering net immigration from Mexico to the US (or many other poor country / rich country pairs).
Yeah, let's ignore Canada and all the European countries.
More people move from Canada to the US every year than the opposite.
More people migrate from (poorer) Easter Europe to (richer) Wester Europe.
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Empirical evidence is not on your side here considering net immigration from Mexico to the US (or many other poor country / rich country pairs).
There is a big difference between the medians in those two places. I'm thinking more like the U.S. versus European countries.
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Yeah, let's ignore Canada and all the European countries.
I was just using the most striking example. But we can talk about Canada and Europe too if you would like. More people move from Canada to the US every year than the opposite. More people migrate from (poorer) Easter Europe to (richer) Wester Europe.
Now compare Western Europe and the U.S.: They're capitalist, but it's hard to find "empirical" evidence that unbounded Darwinian capitalism is superior in this part of the world, since most of these countries top the U.S. in nearly every measure of human development--life expectancy, literacy, economic freedom, social mobility, and so on.
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There is a big difference between the medians in those two places. I'm thinking more like the U.S. versus European countries.
Is there data on this? I'm having trouble finding it. Do we think that, say, more people move from US -> France than the opposite every year? I'd bet money on the reverse.
Also, keep in mind that statistics on emigration only show you how many people moved between the countries. It doesn't show you whether people in Germany are more likely to be curious about the U.S. than vice versa, or whether the people are happier and have more freedom.
I am a European living in the U.S., and I agree the U.S. is a terrific country to be in if you are making a lot of money. But most people don't. The poor here are far worse off (and the rich are far better off--indeed, that is the definition of inequality.)
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Is there data on this? I'm having trouble finding it. Do we think that, say, more people move from US -> France than the opposite every year? I'd bet money on the reverse.
It sounds like you're looking to feed confirmation bias. Picking a country that most Americans love to hate isn't really going to give you accurate results. Try comparing the U.S. to Germany and Switzerland, or the U.S. to the Scandinavian countries. Also, keep in mind that statistics on emigration only show you how many people moved between the countries. It doesn't show you whether people in Germany are more likely…
I would predict the same outcome for England, Germany, Switzerland or Sweden.
Too your second point we were talking about where people would prefer to live not how happy they were or how free they were. Perhaps people would prefer to live someplace where they are less happy or free if it came with other benefits. Who knows.
Looking at net immigration rates is, I think, the best way to determine where people prefer to live.
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It sounds like you're looking to feed confirmation bias. Picking a country that most Americans love to hate isn't really going to give you accurate results. Try comparing the U.S. to Germany and Switzerland, or the U.S. to the Scandinavian countries. Also, keep in mind that statistics on emigration only show you how many people moved between the countries. It doesn't show you whether people in Germany are more likely…
I picked France at random from the set of rich Western European countries. It was just the first one that popped into my head. /shrug/ I would predict the same outcome for England, Germany, Switzerland or Sweden. Too your second point we were talking about where people would prefer to live not how happy they were or how free they were. Perhaps people would prefer to live someplace where they are less happy or free if…
I don't think it is. I would prefer to live in the U.S. because my family lives here, but it has been tremendously difficult for me to get here, and has taken many years. Similarly, it's quite hard to just move to Germany or Sweden if you have no connection to those countries.
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I was just using the most striking example. But we can talk about Canada and Europe too if you would like. More people move from Canada to the US every year than the opposite. More people migrate from (poorer) Easter Europe to (richer) Wester Europe.
You seem to equate riches with inequality. Just because a country is richer doesn't mean there is more inequality. In fact, many of the poor countries have startling inequality in comparison. Now compare Western Europe and the U.S.: They're capitalist, but it's hard to find "empirical" evidence that unbounded Darwinian capitalism is superior in this part of the world, since most of these countries top the U.S. in nea…
Actions reveal preferences.
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You seem to equate riches with inequality. Just because a country is richer doesn't mean there is more inequality. In fact, many of the poor countries have startling inequality in comparison. Now compare Western Europe and the U.S.: They're capitalist, but it's hard to find "empirical" evidence that unbounded Darwinian capitalism is superior in this part of the world, since most of these countries top the U.S. in nea…
And yes, I'm nearly certain, more people move from Western Europe to the US than vice versa. Perhaps all of those measures of human development aren't all they're cracked up to be in comparison to other things? Actions reveal preferences.
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I picked France at random from the set of rich Western European countries. It was just the first one that popped into my head. /shrug/ I would predict the same outcome for England, Germany, Switzerland or Sweden. Too your second point we were talking about where people would prefer to live not how happy they were or how free they were. Perhaps people would prefer to live someplace where they are less happy or free if…
> Looking at net immigration rates is, I think, the best way to determine where people prefer to live. I don't think it is. I would prefer to live in the U.S. because my family lives here, but it has been tremendously difficult for me to get here, and has taken many years. Similarly, it's quite hard to just move to Germany or Sweden if you have no connection to those countries.
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And yes, I'm nearly certain, more people move from Western Europe to the US than vice versa. Perhaps all of those measures of human development aren't all they're cracked up to be in comparison to other things? Actions reveal preferences.
Or, perhaps, it's easier for someone of means to emigrate to a country where they can earn more money than it is for someone with few means to emigrate to a country where they would be better off.