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Re: Introducing Paper

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Post by bradleyland »

jodrellblank wrote: post #266
derefr wrote: post #249

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Er, you totally read that wrong. Switch the terms "developer" and "user" in your analogy.

I don't think I misread it; I was poking at you to illustrate that your internal feelings of jealousy and anger are not the responsibility of the advertiser to avoid triggering, and suppressing them is not "being a good person" (or a 'bad' person), it's "covering over a problem you have and pretending it's not a problem hoping it will go away". Correctly functioning (neither judged as good or bad) humans don't get an…

It's worth noting that the person you're replying to wasn't me. I don't mind being poked fun of. I often do it myself :)

Framing this as a "responsibility" is the wrong way to look at it. If an advertisement makes a significant number of people feel negative emotions, it won't be effective, and what good is ineffective advertising? Who cares who's right, wrong, good, or bad? Much less who is responsible?

I'm a flawed person. I openly accept that. I don't think my emotions in this situation are unique though, and I don't think they're basis to refer to someone as incorrectly functioning. It's what we do with those emotions that make us "correctly functioning" or not.

Re: Introducing Paper

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Post by [deleted] »

bradleyland wrote: post #232
collyw wrote: post #184

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Yeah, I used to love the iPod adverts with the hip, trendy silhouette dancing away. Then you would see the average user on the train. Spotty, not especially attractive, and definitely not cool. But I guess that image wouldn't sell much.

I would say that Apple's advertising has become far more relatable recently. Most people can relate to a christmas event with a detached kid, or calling home to Facetime with their family. Granted, the people are unrealistically good looking and well dressed, but it's far more down to earth than this Facebook piece. I found the overly-hip nature of the characters in this extremely un-relatable. I could feel the jealo…

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Re: Introducing Paper

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Post by gfosco »

joe_the_user wrote: post #276
gfosco wrote: post #272

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When you get to play with it next week, you'll understand. Newsfeed is one section, and you can choose from a variety of others to flip through. They will be curated and high quality. See recent posts like: http://recode.net/2014/01/27/facebook-is-seeking-editors-for...

Will the curators be as obtusely disconnected from their readers as your replies to my posts have been? I mean, my argument is that there is fundamental difference, a wide gulf, between a feed of friends' posts and a curated stream of news article, even if some friend's posts contain some links. A friend might, say, object to my argument using a counter-argument whereas, for example, a marketing bot would respond wit…

If all you want is a feed of your friends posts, then you have the Facebook app.

I'm not a marketing bot... I work on the Parse team. You asked two questions in your response, I answered them.

All I said originally is that it's more than just newsfeed. It was not my intention to argue a point, simply to clarify. Oh, and don't worry, it will be great.

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Post by gavanwoolery »

yanivt wrote: post #147
gavanwoolery wrote: post #83

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I agree. Its become almost formulaic: cue hipster/light-hearted/playful music, show several emotionally engaging images with over-the-top DOF blur, narrate about how some mundane product that sucks us away from "real life" activities is tied to making the world a better, more engaging place.

I think your "sucks us away from real life" complaint has become formulaic. https://twitter.com/HistoryInPics/status/428802773313134592/...

True :)

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Post by gavanwoolery »

res0nat0r wrote: post #182
gavanwoolery wrote: post #83

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I agree. Its become almost formulaic: cue hipster/light-hearted/playful music, show several emotionally engaging images with over-the-top DOF blur, narrate about how some mundane product that sucks us away from "real life" activities is tied to making the world a better, more engaging place.

If this were an Apple ad your response would be how beautiful, eloquent, heartfelt and touching the ad is. Since it is Facebook and they are of course evil, it is obviously terrible.

I'd actually be more inclined to like Facebook than Apple, for whatever that is worth. I have nothing against Facebook, just this style of commercial. :)

Re: Introducing Paper

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Post by res0nat0r »

gavanwoolery wrote: post #285
res0nat0r wrote: post #182

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If this were an Apple ad your response would be how beautiful, eloquent, heartfelt and touching the ad is. Since it is Facebook and they are of course evil, it is obviously terrible.

I'd actually be more inclined to like Facebook than Apple, for whatever that is worth. I have nothing against Facebook, just this style of commercial. :)

Fair enough. ;)

Re: Introducing Paper

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Post by tdj »

Does anyone have a good explanation for why the pages uses 1-frame videos for static pictures? Does WebM offer better quality-per-KB than JPEG?

Re: Introducing Paper

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Post by exodust »

Can't we wait for it to exist and then talk about it?

Who knows whether it will be intuitive or not. Can't tell from that video. My phone isn't as still as the one in the video,

I don't like too much swiping of little bits and pieces all the time. Tap, swipe, all day long.. just show me the content and stop making a zilion forks in the road. You're making me put my hand in front of the screen every 2 seconds, it looks like hard work to me... all that swiping and endless mashup of random stuff.

Is it news? Is it noise? Is it noisy news?

Re: Introducing Paper

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Post by mr_spothawk »

kin wrote: post #231
austenallred wrote: post #169

I'm not sure why so many are describing this as a "news" app - it's pretty obviously a refresh of the Facebook design, and a much-needed one at that. At the given time 25% of Facebook is taken up by various buttons and controls; there's a lot you can do and a lot of places you can navigate to from Facebook's homepage. It was obviously designed for desktop, and then ported over to mobile. After a couple refreshes the…

While I agree with you that content-wise it's just your news feed w/ a different look and feel, it seems to be filtered to just articles vs status posts. Furthermore, there seems to be an interest-based category filter. Consider this. HN is a website community that you trust will post quality content. Similarly FB can also be that way, but the community is your friends. If I can filter this new app so that only I onl…

I come to HN specifically because I cant trust my friends and family to post interesting content on facebook ;)

Re: Introducing Paper

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Post by kyriakos »

joeblau wrote: post #122
kyriakos wrote: post #10

I hope this runs well on android.. considering how bad their android app

It's alternating. Android users got Facebook Home last year, this year iPhone users get Facebook Paper. I think that's fair.

Paper will eventually come out for Android. Facebook Home obviously is not something that can run on iOS due to its limitations.
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