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Re: Google Drops Discussions Search Filter and Others

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Maybe this is a good spot to mention how much the updated Google Maps also suck. Pretty though.

Initially I think the Google Map is the best product from Google. That was the reason why I moved from Yahoo to Google. Then I got used to it.

Later on I found that the map printing has big problem to keep it as 100% like before after they did some weird change and changed back.

I guess Google should listen to their customers more than what they think and want to do. Is the information on this topic will be ignored by Google? Most probably. Then they tends to lose customers sooner than later.

Re: Google Drops Discussions Search Filter and Others

#82
post #10

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I need more clarification on how this is ironic.

The appeal of Google, back in the days of Altavista, was in the fact that it could search various things, giving better results. Now it's intent on giving you fewer things to search.

"Now it's intent on giving you fewer things to search"

This intention is viable and supposedly helpful for users because we don't need millions of results back, which just does not make sense. We need fewer but more relevant results back with high quality information. This is hard to achieve.

Only some human-powered search engines can provide this much quality but they cannot cover a wide range of the web due to the resource constraints. Google always tries to use better algorithms to do this job better. So users are suffering from their experiments.

I agree if search engines can only do this much job is ok, don't need to be too intelligent, like the days back to AltaVista. Actually Google's PageRank and server farms killed it, while some meta search engines can help to provide a broader coverage. Now we are about the time to find better solutions: http://bit.ly/1fu5glK

Re: Google Drops Discussions Search Filter and Others

#83
post #8

The promise was that, as search engines get better, there would be no need for bookmarking and downloading, since all the content in the world is only one sloppy search query away. Somehow, I seem to have ignored this stubbornly and instead bookmarked pages, downloaded videos and copied strings (!) out of the web for years. Not that it did me much good, I now have thousands of inconsistently sorted bookmarks and a bu…

"The promise was that, as search engines get better, there would be no need for bookmarking and downloading, since all the content in the world is only one sloppy search query away."

It was back to the AltaVista age, when the web is simple and clean. Just like you, I could never think we can keep using keyword combinations to filter the search results to fit our needs forever.

We need a self-organized storage of information, we need more efficient ways than keyword combination, and we need the search results to be consistent in a period of time.

Can we achieve this goal and meet the users needs in the near future? Maybe: http://bit.ly/L6RKdN

Re: Google Drops Discussions Search Filter and Others

#84
post #15

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I've found that copying recipes off of webpages is the most important one - you'll never find the same recipe twice.

Similarly, I found a page a few days ago about fixing the rMBP trackpad in Windows 8, and now that I have Windows 8, I just can't find it again! Really wish I'd bookmarked it.

In Firefox, you can roll back through your history for several days of links, and search the link text. Does your browser keep a history?

Re: Google Drops Discussions Search Filter and Others

#85
post #64

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I don't get your point. Is it that people should not complain about Google removing a feature they like, because you have presented a guess as to why they removed it? (FWIW - I agree with you that it was not maliciously removed) Personally I like it when users complain loudly about decisions that impact them. The idea of negative publicity might deter such actions in the future (in theory anyway).

The point is in the third paragraph. A lot of comments here conclude that the motives for doing this are sinister. One person even thinks it was removed because it would make users spend hours reading discussions when that time should really be spent shopping. People should absolutely complain when a change impacts them negatively. People should also keep in mind that with a user base the size of Google's, every chan…

The old saying "every change will upset someone/can't please 'em all chuckle chuckle" is a cop-out.

I've had managers say exactly this about flawed interfaces I've been asked to build, with marketing directives dictating crucial layout choices and ultimately problematic usability. Warned against but overridden with "can't please em all". Yet the complaints came rolling in big time over an extended period due these change to the tv guide I made.

The problem with marketing depts making interface decisions is that their priorities are with things like "aligning with the tone of the campaign" or "blatantly copying a competitor for lack of confidence in one's own original ideas".

We're talking about a feature that has been in Google search for many years, then suddenly gone in the blink of an eye, without explanation.

"Sinister" actions are done quietly, you hope no-one will notice. If their reasons are in the interests of users, they'd blog or post about it somewhere to keep people informed about their product. They failed to mention it.

Google has already made it clear they are directing traffic to G+ to sustain their bank balance and pursuit of making a Google spacecraft or whatever. This latest move, plundering useful things in search, is the same bad User Interface behaviour as forcing people to sign up to G+ to leave a rating out of five for an app. They're forcing together two unrelated systems or services with bad welds, or removing useful components leaving empty space.

Re: Google Drops Discussions Search Filter and Others

#86
post #6
post #4

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Why ironic?

NSA?

As in, it is ironic b/c Google is limiting our ability to deep search conversations while facilitating the NSA's deep searching of our communications.

But, simply stating "NSA?" is too subtle for the down vote happy set.

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