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By that argument, ownership of possessions is not a right, but a privilege provided by the government, and if a tough guy comes and takes your laptop away from you - tough shit for you.
No. Possessions are a scarce resource that can be defended by the owner. Ideas are not scarce. The only way to "defend" an idea from improper uses in a society is with a coercive entity.
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you live in Somalia?
Do you enjoy trolling?
Somalia seemed like somewhere your statement might hold true.
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#84Re: The Two Teenagers Who Run the Popular Twitter Feed @HistoryInPics
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you enjoy trolling?
No - the idea that individuals are able to practically defend their possessions against determines thieves doesn't make sense in most societies where violence is not accepted as a normal part of life. Instead, most of us rely on the state to provide a police force. Somalia seemed like somewhere your statement might hold true.
Then don't do it.
> the idea that individuals are able to practically defend their possessions against determines thieves doesn't make sense in most societies where violence is not accepted as a normal part of life
I agree. Defense takes on many forms. In the more forward thinking societies, it's usually done with some sort of arbitration.
> Instead, most of us rely on the state to provide a police force.
OK? So?
> Somalia seemed like somewhere your statement might hold true.
Your straw man is behind the times. Somalia has had a central government for quite some time.
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#86I stopped following accounts like this because of their promotion tactics. They retweet stuff from other accounts and then delete it 15 minutes later. If you look at the feed before subscribing, it looks like it is a bunch of interesting photos. Once you start following them, you see these lower quality retweets at the top of your feed that are deleted as soon as they start to get pushed down on subscriber timelines.
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#87I briefly followed Earth Pics until they started unrelentingly posting obviously fake photos with no attempt to do research into whether they were real or not. HIP has the same dirty feel to it and so it's no surprised to find out they're related.
They've taken two very possibly interesting topics to run a twitter feed on, and essentially run them in to the ground by not doing even a modicum of work to ensure some sort of integrity behind them. Maybe it's an intentional decision, I don't know, but it just seems like when you're trying to appeal to a semi-academic interest such as geography or history, you'd benefit from doing some fact-checking and verification.
It'd be as if IFLS started posting pseudo-science, for example. In fact, exploring the relative success of both approaches would be a really cool study into new-media or whatever buzzword you want to call it.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
No - the idea that individuals are able to practically defend their possessions against determines thieves doesn't make sense in most societies where violence is not accepted as a normal part of life. Instead, most of us rely on the state to provide a police force. Somalia seemed like somewhere your statement might hold true.
> No Then don't do it. > the idea that individuals are able to practically defend their possessions against determines thieves doesn't make sense in most societies where violence is not accepted as a normal part of life I agree. Defense takes on many forms. In the more forward thinking societies, it's usually done with some sort of arbitration. > Instead, most of us rely on the state to provide a police force. OK? So…
However, I see you make no attempt to actually defend your argument other than calling me a troll.
How does 'arbitration' stop armed thieves taking your possessions, and what societies are you calling 'forward thinking'?
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It's neither appropriation nor misuse. They don't take the photos for themselves (or anyone) the photos remain where they were, they duplicate them. Looking at photos is the intended use. It's copyright infringement. Copyright is an agreement between the demos and an individual creator of an "artistic" work. Theft is a fundamentally different concept - the crux of that difference is denying the legal owner the enjoym…
> It's neither appropriation nor misuse. They don't take the photos for themselves (or anyone) the photos remain where they were, they duplicate them. The fact that the photos remain where they were is completely irrelevant — I never said that they didn't. When we say "Great artists steal," we do not mean that great artists remove things from their previous location. We mean that they copy other artists' ideas and te…
I've read it online, I don't use it. Great artists are inspired by other artists just as in science we use the term "standing on the shoulders of giants". What precisely Picasso meant is it seems lost to us.
The blunt reading however is a damaging blurring of a legal and moral distinction - artists need to understand how copyright affects them and affects the cultural landscape. Making the adoption of important cultural works in to ones own work sound unlawful/immoral is harmful to a healthy society IMO.
However the concept behind this phrase is that "all artists use others work without worrying about copyright infringement" and that this is how the art world works, reflects culture and feeds society.
Or maybe Picasso meant "own it", make your version so much better that people think of you - undoubtedly the line-drawing of a dove wasn't a new idea when Picasso made his version.
>"we talk about one culture appropriating elements of another" //
Loose language, got you. When a culture is inspired or affected by another they don't appropriate the other cultures assets; this is kind of a key distinction when considering the way memes move; how cultural artefacts are created.
Parent's appropriate the slang of their children.
Word choice matters.
>But it's still called "identity theft." //
Actually this is far more in the middle ground - you don't get to use your identity [to the fullness you'd expect]. It's not copyright infringement, or at least that's not the important aspect. It really is like you've had your legal identity stolen (and often you've had things stolen as part of the process). "Identity theft" works IMO.
>The distinction between theft and copying is relevant in legal matters and some practical matters, but in colloquial use the two are often the same thing. //
The distinction is made in normal conversation.
>Banging on about this every time anyone uses the word is annoying and, more importantly, contextually incorrect. //
Deliberately attempting to ignore this important distinction and conflate the separate ideas of theft and copyright infringement is also annoying, intellectually dishonest and in this conversation concerning copyright infringement couldn't be more "contextually incorrect".
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
> No Then don't do it. > the idea that individuals are able to practically defend their possessions against determines thieves doesn't make sense in most societies where violence is not accepted as a normal part of life I agree. Defense takes on many forms. In the more forward thinking societies, it's usually done with some sort of arbitration. > Instead, most of us rely on the state to provide a police force. OK? So…
Fair enough about the central government. I hadn't realized that. However, I see you make no attempt to actually defend your argument other than calling me a troll. How does 'arbitration' stop armed thieves taking your possessions, and what societies are you calling 'forward thinking'?
You made no attempt at an argument other than a borderline ad hominem when you asked, "Do you live in Somalia?" It's a blatant straw man, plain and simple. (Precisely because I never claimed that no government is always better than any government.)
> How does 'arbitration' stop armed thieves taking your possessions
Mostly the same way courts do it today. I defer to David Friedman and his work on polycentric law.
> and what societies are you calling 'forward thinking'?
Any society that prefers non-violent conflict resolution. It's pretty much the cornerstone property and ownership.