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Edward Snowden nominated for Nobel peace prize

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Re: Edward Snowden nominated for Nobel peace prize

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Post by adharmad »

reuven wrote: post #50
netcan wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yasser Arafat & Yitzhak Rabin were awarded it, its not clear if they intended to create a peace, but they did not. Henry Kissinger and Le Duc Tho were awarded it. Henry Kissinger meanwhile embarked on a major bombing campaign and Le Duc Tho declined the honour. They've made premature or outright bad calls before.

I don't think that the Peace Prize is only meant for people who have made tangible changes in the amount of violence in the world. It's also a carrot that you can dangle in front of people to reward them for taking risks in the interest of reducing violence. Rabin and Arafat (and Peres) tried, with the Oslo accords, to move toward a settlement of a long-standing, violent dispute. They didn't completely succeed. And i…

That sounds like the kindergarten definition of "Prize" - which is given to incentivize the person to do something as opposed to after he has actually achieved something of worth.

Re: Edward Snowden nominated for Nobel peace prize

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Post by CWuestefeld »

ItendToDisagree wrote: post #36
brazzy wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a whole lot of worse things one might be remembered for. Being Bush, for one.

Or being the guy who 'legitimized' the drone war and killing of American citizens without a trial. Institutionalizing the president's power to decide who dies under the "disposition matrix" (kill list). Note: Not saying Anwar al-Awlaki was a good guy, or blameless, or anything of the sort. But it is still killing an American citizen from afar without so much as a thought of a trial.

I'm with you, right up to the point of "an American citizen". As I see it, the right to a speedy jury trial, etc., don't come from being a citizen. These things came from the natural rights philosophy that Madison and others viewed the world through when creating our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Hence, the right to a trial comes simply from the fact of being a person. No citizenship or residency required.

(I grant that reconciling this with acts of war makes it much more murky)

Re: Edward Snowden nominated for Nobel peace prize

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Post by fit2rule »

Peroni wrote: post #38
chippy wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Norway and Russia share a border. So it may be easier than at first glance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway%E2%80%93Russia_border

I think the comment was intending to highlight the fact that multiple international organisations are trying to arrest Snowden and his appearance at the awards would put him in jeopardy, not that travel logistics might be an issue.

Which international organizations are trying to arrest Snowden?

(Only States can do it..)

Re: Edward Snowden nominated for Nobel peace prize

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Post by School-Cotton »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #67
ck2 wrote: post #53

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If you respect Manning, please stop saying "he" and "guy".

This is clearly something that we as a society are going to have to wrestle with. It seems reasonable to me that this person, having XY chromosomes and all the hardware that go with them, may be correctly referred to using masculine pronouns. There's something to be said for respecting the wishes of the individual in how they'd like to be addressed. But there's definitely a point at which that drifts off into absurdi…

It seems pretty simple to me. If you ask me to describe my best friend, I might say he's smart, studied this or that in school, speaks such-and-such languages, likes such-and-such music, and so on. His height and weight would be pretty far down the list of things I find important.

Similarly, we think of our mind as being our "self" in a much more fundamental way than our toes.

If a person is female in their mind but has a male body, it seems very clear that we should consider the former to be their "real" gender. Why should the body matter more or be more fundamental?

Re: Edward Snowden nominated for Nobel peace prize

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Post by ItendToDisagree »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #72
ItendToDisagree wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or being the guy who 'legitimized' the drone war and killing of American citizens without a trial. Institutionalizing the president's power to decide who dies under the "disposition matrix" (kill list). Note: Not saying Anwar al-Awlaki was a good guy, or blameless, or anything of the sort. But it is still killing an American citizen from afar without so much as a thought of a trial.

I'm with you, right up to the point of "an American citizen". As I see it, the right to a speedy jury trial, etc., don't come from being a citizen. These things came from the natural rights philosophy that Madison and others viewed the world through when creating our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Hence, the right to a trial comes simply from the fact of being a person. No citizenship or residency required. (I gran…

Agreed. It just makes it even more egregious, being that a citizen doesn't even get that right, which is written into the Constitution.

Re: Edward Snowden nominated for Nobel peace prize

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Post by sanxiyn »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #67
ck2 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you respect Manning, please stop saying "he" and "guy".

This is clearly something that we as a society are going to have to wrestle with. It seems reasonable to me that this person, having XY chromosomes and all the hardware that go with them, may be correctly referred to using masculine pronouns. There's something to be said for respecting the wishes of the individual in how they'd like to be addressed. But there's definitely a point at which that drifts off into absurdi…

It seems totally unreasonable to me to intentionally misgender anyone against their wishes even after such intention was communicated. What possible purposes such action can serve?

I think it's more comparable to calling someone by their old name even after someone went through a trouble of changing one's official name because they hated the name given by their parents. You'd agree that's a bad manner.

Re: Edward Snowden nominated for Nobel peace prize

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Post by Lazare »

belorn wrote: post #60
Lazare wrote: post #17

Some may find the list of people who can nominate someone for the Nobel peace prize interesting. From their website: Members of national assemblies and governments of states; Members of international courts; University rectors; professors of social sciences, history, philosophy, law and theology; directors of peace research institutes and foreign policy institutes; Persons who have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize;…

> "professors of social sciences, history, philosophy, law and theology" is a simply enormous group of people. It used to be that professor status was very regulated. In Sweden prior to 1993, a professor title was granted by the government, and in practice one could only become a professor if such role was currently unfilled. Was the Noble price nomination rules created before 1993?

The rules actually were relaxed in 1993; I'm not sure what they were before that.
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