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Edward Snowden nominated for Nobel peace prize

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Re: Edward Snowden nominated for Nobel peace prize

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Post by reuven »

tete wrote: post #48
reuven wrote: post #41

First of all, a huge number of people are nominated each year for the Nobel Peace Prize. So the fact that Snowden was nominated doesn't really surprise me; I'm guessing that many activists from around the world are nominated. The list of who can nominate is somewhat restricted -- but given that any member of any parliament, or any social-science professor at any university, can nominate someone, that doesn't strike m…

Well, I guess since even Barack Obama, a president who spreads hatred by not abolishing torture, not ending wars, supporting assassinations, etc. won the Nobel Peace Prize a lot of things are counted. Since the US obviously fights many secret wars and considers everyone but UK; Canada and Australia their enemy unveiling the fact that there are secret wars fought way more intensely than we knew before it is the only p…

I actually think that Obama's generally an OK president. (Not that I agree with many of his policies, including those having to do with Guantanamo and drones, mind you.)

But I still think it was kind of weird for him to get the Nobel Peace Prize. At the very least, it strikes me as way premature.

Re: Edward Snowden nominated for Nobel peace prize

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Post by dferlemann »

swalsh wrote: post #42
ck2 wrote: post #25

Everyone has already forgotten Pfc. Manning rotting away for 35 years. I saw a "free Snowden" sign the other day which I thought was asinine.

Manning released a bunch of documents, but how did he change the world?

Fuck the world. He's action is true to himself. For that, I respect the guy.

Re: Edward Snowden nominated for Nobel peace prize

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Post by ck2 »

dferlemann wrote: post #52
swalsh wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Manning released a bunch of documents, but how did he change the world?

Fuck the world. He's action is true to himself. For that, I respect the guy.

If you respect Manning, please stop saying "he" and "guy".

Re: Edward Snowden nominated for Nobel peace prize

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Post by jfc »

sergiotapia wrote: post #44
praptak wrote: post #13

While I'm fond of any form of flipping the NSA-backing US administration the bird, the Nobel Peace prize has not enough reputation to matter in this context. Al Gore got it for raising awareness of climate change. Obama got that for not being Bush. Even if Snowden gets it, it doesn't really matter.

In all honesty, Obama got it for being the first black president - it was a HUGE deal, remember that.

What do you mean, "in all honesty"? Unless you were privvy to the evaluative processes for the award, what you're saying is pure speculation.

Re: Edward Snowden nominated for Nobel peace prize

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Post by ck2 »

duaneb wrote: post #47
ck2 wrote: post #25

Everyone has already forgotten Pfc. Manning rotting away for 35 years. I saw a "free Snowden" sign the other day which I thought was asinine.

I'm not sure if either of them deserve the Nobel Peace Prize, but I believe Manning's sentence is reasonable. I'd like to shake his hand, buy him a beer, thank him personally, but it's a decision he made that has severe consequences for a reason. And while I don't like Snowden at all, I think his actions are much more justifiable from an ethical point of view. It's not like terrorists were unaware the NSA was spying…

So by your standard, Martin Luther King Jr. should be getting out of prison just about now?

Manning was a whistlerblower, just like Snowden, with less power and ability for flight to defend themselves.

There was no personal gain ever intended or achieved, yet great personal loss even in the best outcome. They saw something very wrong happening and had little to no way to say "hey there are some incredibly powerful forces in this country doing some very evil things".

The problem is we only treat whistleblowers like traitors legally and Manning's "trial" was a complete scam, zero media coverage allowed on purpose by the government so they could be railroaded.

Re: Edward Snowden nominated for Nobel peace prize

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Post by efdee »

duaneb wrote: post #47
ck2 wrote: post #25

Everyone has already forgotten Pfc. Manning rotting away for 35 years. I saw a "free Snowden" sign the other day which I thought was asinine.

I'm not sure if either of them deserve the Nobel Peace Prize, but I believe Manning's sentence is reasonable. I'd like to shake his hand, buy him a beer, thank him personally, but it's a decision he made that has severe consequences for a reason. And while I don't like Snowden at all, I think his actions are much more justifiable from an ethical point of view. It's not like terrorists were unaware the NSA was spying…

"I'd like to shake his [sic] hand, buy him [sic] a beer, thank him [sic] personally", "but I believe Manning's sentence [of 35 years in prison] is reasonable". My jaw dropped to the floor. Assuming that you want to thank her for doing that thing that landed her in prison, there is nothing you can say that can reconcile those two statements for me.

Re: Edward Snowden nominated for Nobel peace prize

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Post by [deleted] »

duaneb wrote: post #47
ck2 wrote: post #25

Everyone has already forgotten Pfc. Manning rotting away for 35 years. I saw a "free Snowden" sign the other day which I thought was asinine.

I'm not sure if either of them deserve the Nobel Peace Prize, but I believe Manning's sentence is reasonable. I'd like to shake his hand, buy him a beer, thank him personally, but it's a decision he made that has severe consequences for a reason. And while I don't like Snowden at all, I think his actions are much more justifiable from an ethical point of view. It's not like terrorists were unaware the NSA was spying…

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Re: Edward Snowden nominated for Nobel peace prize

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Post by sleepyK »

Wow. The ability of people to only see what they want to see is amazing.

So Obama deserved a Nobel Peace prize for running a successful electoral campaign, but Edward Snowden doesn't deserve one for making one of the largest exposés of compromises of individual freedom in the history of the world.

Bravo, Americans.

Re: Edward Snowden nominated for Nobel peace prize

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Post by belorn »

Lazare wrote: post #17

Some may find the list of people who can nominate someone for the Nobel peace prize interesting. From their website: Members of national assemblies and governments of states; Members of international courts; University rectors; professors of social sciences, history, philosophy, law and theology; directors of peace research institutes and foreign policy institutes; Persons who have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize;…

> "professors of social sciences, history, philosophy, law and theology" is a simply enormous group of people.

It used to be that professor status was very regulated. In Sweden prior to 1993, a professor title was granted by the government, and in practice one could only become a professor if such role was currently unfilled.

Was the Noble price nomination rules created before 1993?

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