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Re: IE7 users, we need to talk…

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Post by micampe »

crisnoble wrote: post #41
valarauca1 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other option is they are elderly or just don't care. They have that E-Machines Pentium 3 future proof 256MB of RAM Windows98 computer and they'll use it until they die, because shouldn't everything that costs over $1,000 dollars last for 20-30 years?

Yes, just like your car will last you 20 years. If you drive a car from 1994 you don't expect to be able to drive 90 mph or offroad without running into major issues. Should cities keep their infrastructure backwards compatible for people with old cars?

I do that with a car from 1972.

The comparison doesn't hold though.

Re: IE7 users, we need to talk…

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Post by DanWaterworth »

hackmiester wrote: post #47
crisnoble wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, just like your car will last you 20 years. If you drive a car from 1994 you don't expect to be able to drive 90 mph or offroad without running into major issues. Should cities keep their infrastructure backwards compatible for people with old cars?

It's apples and oranges. In 1994 people went over 80mph all the time, and they still do. If you maintain a car well, it will continue to be able to do that. By contrast, though... a PC perfectly maintained from 1994 until now would be hopeless in today's infrastructure.

Yes, it's more like buying $1000 worth of apples and oranges.

Re: IE7 users, we need to talk…

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Post by jameshart »

soup10 wrote: post #22

1.22% of your users is probably like 1 person lol. Gj gaming hacker news to reach the many nurses that visit here.

You're right, nursing jobs sites must be so niche they hardly get any traffic. The healthcare industry in the US is tiny, I mean, it's only, what, 16% of the entire US economy? I mean the total expenditure on hospital care in the entire country is only $380 billion or so a year, and employs only about 2.6 million nurses. That's just 1.8% of the US working population. And it's not like nursing is disproportionately dominated by short term contracts, or the provider market that employs them massively fragmented meaning that almost every six to twelve months a career nurse will be jobhunting... yes, 87 nurses looking for jobs, 1 of whom is using IE7, sounds like a perfectly reasonable estimate for the amount of traffic this site with a page 1 google ranking for a search for "nursing jobs" probably gets.

Re: IE7 users, we need to talk…

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Post by dougmccune »

I've often received bug report screenshots or sat in watching a customer screenshare using our product in IE6 on literally a 800 x 600 screen. Each time it makes me cry inside and I debate just ordering them a new computer. That said, as others have pointed out here, almost nobody these days running IE 6/7/8 is doing so of their own free will, and any computer you send them can't be used for work.

Re: IE7 users, we need to talk…

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Post by crisnoble »

micampe wrote: post #51
crisnoble wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, just like your car will last you 20 years. If you drive a car from 1994 you don't expect to be able to drive 90 mph or offroad without running into major issues. Should cities keep their infrastructure backwards compatible for people with old cars?

I do that with a car from 1972. The comparison doesn't hold though.

You likely have been upgrading and maintaining your car. Users with IE7 who expect the world to freeze with their hardware are like car owners who do not change their oil yet would be amiss when their car stops functioning after 10 years.

Re: IE7 users, we need to talk…

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Post by crisnoble »

hackmiester wrote: post #47
crisnoble wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, just like your car will last you 20 years. If you drive a car from 1994 you don't expect to be able to drive 90 mph or offroad without running into major issues. Should cities keep their infrastructure backwards compatible for people with old cars?

It's apples and oranges. In 1994 people went over 80mph all the time, and they still do. If you maintain a car well, it will continue to be able to do that. By contrast, though... a PC perfectly maintained from 1994 until now would be hopeless in today's infrastructure.

> a PC perfectly maintained from 1994 until now would be hopeless in today's infrastructure.

Not if they upgraded both their hardware and software along the way. Even without upgrades, their computer might function just fine, but they should not expect to browse websites created with technologies that were not yet dreamed of when their computer was born.

People expect to make phone calls on their 5 year old phones, but it would be unreasonable for them to complain that they cannot download the latest version of snapchat on it. People with old browsers and hardware can expect old websites and software to work for them. It is unreasonable for developers to be required to create new websites that work for outdated and insecure browsers.

Re: IE7 users, we need to talk…

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Post by barake »

stephen_g wrote: post #49
taspeotis wrote: post #10

> We are offering to buy a new computer with a modern browser for any of our customers who are stuck with IE7 Great PR, since practically no-one is going to take them up on the offer. If you're on IE7 you're probably on it because MegaCorp's Intranet Application '02 Enterprise Edition doesn't work on anything else. Meaning the new computer will break their LOB application. It's also possible it won't cost them any mo…

"If you're on IE7 you're probably on it because MegaCorp's Intranet Application '02 Enterprise Edition doesn't work on anything else." This is what virtual machines are for...

Try teaching the HR officer who is afraid of the maximize button to use a VM. Even Windows 7 XP mode is scary - the chrome is different.

Re: IE7 users, we need to talk…

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Post by crisnoble »

hmahncke wrote: post #50
chrismorgan wrote: post #5

Cannot all IE7 users upgrade to IE8?

Not if it's your corporate desktop.

And your company has an IT department that thinks IE7 is more secure somehow, or you have some proprietary enterprise software that takes advantage of the quirks of IE7 and breaks without them.

Re: IE7 users, we need to talk…

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Post by crisnoble »

I applaud them for moving the web a small step forward. Every minute saved by not worrying about IE7 is a minute that you can spend creating features for standards compliant browsers. As more sites drop support for older versions of IE, more employees will pressure their IT departments for updated browsers.

Maybe one day we will see nothing but evergreen browsers in the logs...

Re: IE7 users, we need to talk…

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

ajpos wrote: post #46
chrismorgan wrote: post #5

Cannot all IE7 users upgrade to IE8?

I work for a F500 and we cannot upgrade to 8. We have antiquated web platforms that don't work without it. It sucks. A lot.

Doesn't MSIE8 have a MSIE7 compatability mode that basically runs the IE7 rendering engine in a wrapper (like IE tab).

Can't you use MSIE7 on the internal system and have a recent browser for web access?

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