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We're Shutting Down and I'm Scared

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Re: We're Shutting Down and I'm Scared

#41
1.) I hope you are over playing the despair part, but if you really feel that every sucks then you should speak a professional to help give you perspective. Seriously, your mental health matters.

2.) Create a list of everything you need to do, then start to work through it.

a.) Have a conversation with your wife. Inform her about what's happening, what issues you're facing, and ask her about her thoughts. Get on the same page, that way there are two of you working through this. What's her game plan? She'll likely have some action items that should go onto your list.

Get your emotions out, but then move on. I've been doing the startup thing for 14+ years and married for 8+. I cannot emphasize enough that you should not overburden your spouse. She's got a lot on her plate now, so get your emotions out once (if you're into that), then stay upbeat.

b.) Schedule a meeting with your investors. Have a set agenda, use a PowerPoint (or other presentation software) that outlines your current status, etc. Also, show that you are a professional by showing them you have a plan/budget/timeline to shutdown the business.

Your investors are professionals. They know that a large percent of early startups fail. What they will want from your is professionalism.

Also, ask for their input. What do they need you to do?

c.) Legal: Speak with your attorney (this can also be before #b). Get their input on your legal checklist.

You must shutdown the business correctly. Your attorney will be a big asset. Keep your meeting with them professional and focused. Don't waste time on emotions in this meeting.

d.) Schedule a team meeting and speak with your employees. Help them transition if you can. If you're overwhelmed, which it sounds like, then tell them you'll be happy to give glowing references. This is easy and will require minimal work on your part while keeping the relationship alive.

As with #a, don't overburden your employees with your emotions. Sorry, but complaints flow up, not down. They will have their own pressures, and your job as a manager is to help assuage their fears and help them see that everything will be ok.

e.) It sounds like you don't have kids. Yah! Seriously, grab a beer. This is so much easier without kids.

f.) Fill-in this list with input from everyone above plus your co-founders.

g.)It's only Tuesday. Get moving and this done before the weekend.

3.) Debt: To any first time founders, please allocate budget to shutting down a business. Experience matters here, and it's best practice to know your shutdown costs, to budget for them, and to have the professionalism to shut the business down when you have just enough money to close up shop. You should pay debts, invoices that are due, employee salaries, legal fees to shutdown, etc.

To the OP, create a list of assets/liabilities. If you can sell assets to pay for liabilities then do it. Be cool about who you owe money to. If these are other small businesses / startups, then try to make your debt whole.

Re: We're Shutting Down and I'm Scared

#42
I've been there. I shut down my YC startup about 3 1/2 years ago. It was covered in the press more than my launch was! Shutting down was a huge weight off my mind - we weren't successful and nothing was going to make it so.

You raised money and have employees. Worry about the employees. Get them new jobs in great startups by actively going through your network and making sure they get new jobs that they'll love with teams they'll enjoy.

Dont' worry about the investors. They've lost money before. If you raised from non-professionals, then you may have to apologize. Mean it.

Tell your wife, obviously. You probably don't need to worry about money too much - now you can take a low-stress job at high pay and get back what you lost doing the startup.

Also, please feel free to reach out: paul@circleci.com

Re: We're Shutting Down and I'm Scared

#43
post #18

Been there. * If your payables and debts are all in the company's name, nobody is coming for your house. The likelihood that your business was going to die before you could pay all your debts was priced into your contracts. If you have employees, pay them and get them off your books first; employee wages are, depending on the state you're in, the one likely exception to that rule. * If they were in your name, well, t…

Good pieces of advice. Thanks for writing.

Re: We're Shutting Down and I'm Scared

#44
post #18

Been there. * If your payables and debts are all in the company's name, nobody is coming for your house. The likelihood that your business was going to die before you could pay all your debts was priced into your contracts. If you have employees, pay them and get them off your books first; employee wages are, depending on the state you're in, the one likely exception to that rule. * If they were in your name, well, t…

At the top of your payment priority list: Remit to the U.S. Treasury the required withholding for employees' federal income-tax and Social Security / Medicare tax. The IRS will come for your house if you don't.

Re: We're Shutting Down and I'm Scared

#45
Here's one of the most important lessons I've learned about startup life:

There is a fundamental difference between being poor and being broke.

Being broke implies you don't have enough cash or expected cash flow to cover your debt - but it doesn't mean you haven't accumulated wealth. Being poor means you neither have cash nor wealth. The OP is simply broke, but not poor.

Knowledge from failing a business is (IMHO) one of the greatest, if not the greatest, ways to accumulate intelligence in business. That is extremely valuable.

Re: We're Shutting Down and I'm Scared

#46
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

S Corps are limited liability corporations. Lots of LLCs turn themselves into S Corps, because (a) there's an old sketchy tax dodge about self-employment/FICA tax you can do as an S, and (b) it's easier to grant employees equity in an S than an LLC. (You're not an idiot.)

> Lots of LLCs turn themselves into S Corps, because (a) there's an old sketchy tax dodge about self-employment/FICA tax you can do as an S Interesting. Got a pointer to details on that?

See your accountant for advice on this point.

Disclaimer: I am not an accountant, nor is my business set up as an S corp.

The way it works is this: you form an S corp, and as the owner you pay yourself dividends rather than straight income. That way you aren't taxed at normal income tax rates but instead at the capital gains rate. At the same time, because you are now an employee of the S corp you personally only pay half the social security tax, rather than the whole bit as you would as the owner of the LLC paying both the employer and employee portions (of course the corporation is still obligated to pay the employer contribution).

Accountants are of different minds on this, depending on their own taste for risk. The important question in an audit is being able to defend that the business is more than just you, IE: the income is legitimate dividends from the success of the business, and not just regular employment income masquerading as dividends. Again, consult an accountant - they really are worth the cost.

Re: We're Shutting Down and I'm Scared

#47
post #22

If you're in SF, LMK if you want a sounding board and someone to talk to in confidence. I'll buy you a beer. Help you get your head straight. eoghan@intercom.io

And if you or anyone else wants another sound board, I'm here as well (SF or Palo Alto) - mbesto@gmail (I can relate 100% to the OP's struggles)

Re: We're Shutting Down and I'm Scared

#48
Reminder for people who are running startups and are in serious relationships: nothing should be a secret from your spouse/partner. Especially money.

Maybe they're supporting you so you can recycle every dollar of revenue back into the business. Maybe you're gambling your shared savings on the success of your venture. Maybe you've got a good financial position and your family will be safe no matter what.

It doesn't matter. Tell your spouse. Get their advice. You don't have to take it, but they are a valuable resource to you, someone you can trust to listen to you, keep your secrets and have a different perspective.

It should not come as a surprise to him/her that the shutdown is likely; the shock of "no, it's definitely over" should only be a small bump.

Then you can both live through it, and go on to the next thing you have to do.

Re: We're Shutting Down and I'm Scared

#50
Think of the first time you had to build a solution to a problem you didn't understand. It's scary with lots of unknowns.

Seeing your company collapsing is scary, and you don't know how to deal with it. There are lots of unknowns.

In the end, you'll find a way of coping that works for you.

There's good advice here in these comments.

Personally I'd recommend finding someone experience to guide you through the closure. That's what I did (accidentally).

You'll look back in a year and think "That was scary shit but I learnt a shit load".

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