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The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Post by solnyshok »

BrandonMarc wrote: post #5

Can the map tell me why this guy's wearing a pasta strainer for a hat? http://twitter.com/JohnPugh/status/426369689216745472/photo/... The riot gear I understand. The other, not so much.

This has nothing to do with anti mask law. The guy is "pastafarian" priest, a self proclaimed religion announced by some RUSSIAN geeks recently, I have heard about it only in 2013, as a response too invasive and aggressive promotion of Ortodox Christianity by Mr.Putin&Co. google for pastafarian church. Couple of days ago read about him being beaten heavily by Ukrainian SpecOps BERKUT. Guy has got couple of broken ribs and nose. At the same time, Orthodox priests standing between rioters and Berkut, weren't harmed in any way.

Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Post by dragonwriter »

solnyshok wrote: post #51
BrandonMarc wrote: post #5

Can the map tell me why this guy's wearing a pasta strainer for a hat? http://twitter.com/JohnPugh/status/426369689216745472/photo/... The riot gear I understand. The other, not so much.

This has nothing to do with anti mask law. The guy is "pastafarian" priest, a self proclaimed religion announced by some RUSSIAN geeks recently, I have heard about it only in 2013, as a response too invasive and aggressive promotion of Ortodox Christianity by Mr.Putin&Co. google for pastafarian church. Couple of days ago read about him being beaten heavily by Ukrainian SpecOps BERKUT. Guy has got couple of broken rib…

> This has nothing to do with anti mask law. The guy is "pastafarian" priest, a self proclaimed religion announced by some RUSSIAN geeks recently, I have heard about it only in 2013, as a response too invasive and aggressive promotion of Ortodox Christianity by Mr.Putin&Co.

Pastafarianism (the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster) was created in the US in 2005. But, yes, I can see how aggressive promotion of Orthodox Christianity in Russia could cause it to spread there as a counter-current.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Post by vdaniuk »

mathattack wrote: post #46
vdaniuk wrote: post #33

This is map is outdated, the situation is changing rapidly. There are now more than 10 government centers occupied by protesters. Mass protests are occurring nearly in all regions of Ukraine. BTW, good news! "Dictatorship laws" were repealed 5 minutes ago at the time of writing of this comment.

The maps were very oversimplified too. It's too bad this story is being under-reported. I think it's more than a "Red and blue states with different languages" situation. It could be a civil war, or national split, no?

No, no civil war possible. The reason is quite simple. Current government has support, but its very passive, while anti-government protestors are extremely active and self-organizing. It is really people vs. government, even if some support government.

Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Post by bluekeybox »

Shtirlic wrote: post #32
bluekeybox wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The dividing line roughly corresponds to the spread of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth at its peak in the 1600s: http://www.conflicts.rem33.com/images/deut/EU1559.jpg In other words, one could argue that the root of the conflict is a cultural clash between Polonized Ukrainians vs Russified Ukrainians.

Correct, during USSR era it was calm, but now started to burn again.

A little wrong to look that way though since (a) it was under USSR that the country got its current borders and shape on the map, and (b) the actual issue over which the conflict is going on is due to USSR-like foreign policy doctrine of Putin's Russia.

Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Post by yebyen »

dragonwriter wrote: post #52
solnyshok wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has nothing to do with anti mask law. The guy is "pastafarian" priest, a self proclaimed religion announced by some RUSSIAN geeks recently, I have heard about it only in 2013, as a response too invasive and aggressive promotion of Ortodox Christianity by Mr.Putin&Co. google for pastafarian church. Couple of days ago read about him being beaten heavily by Ukrainian SpecOps BERKUT. Guy has got couple of broken rib…

> This has nothing to do with anti mask law. The guy is "pastafarian" priest, a self proclaimed religion announced by some RUSSIAN geeks recently, I have heard about it only in 2013, as a response too invasive and aggressive promotion of Ortodox Christianity by Mr.Putin&Co. Pastafarianism (the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster) was created in the US in 2005. But, yes, I can see how aggressive promotion of Orthod…

The dogma is actually quite fantastic.

As it was once summarized for me, I'll give my best tl;dr for those who might not want to read the Wikipedia article, as off-topic as it might actually be.

Heaven is a stripper factory and a beer volcano. This is well known. Gravity is not real. What keeps us here on Planet Earth is the great almighty press of His Noodly Appendages. The FSM actually loves us all, but he loves us who are diminutive in stature the most, and that's why he presses them harder, to keep them closer to the ground.

The first person created by the FSM was in fact a midget.

The Wikipedia article touches on the correlation between pirates and global warming, but does not appear to mention this Scientific™ explanation of Gravity. There's also no mention of Last Thursdayism, an orthodox division of the Church of FSM, which preaches that the world was created last Thursday, as evidenced most obviously by the fact that when I ask, you can't remember what you did last Wednesday.

I am not making this up. There is a lot of information missing from the Wikipedia page.

Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Post by solnyshok »

dragonwriter wrote: post #52
solnyshok wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has nothing to do with anti mask law. The guy is "pastafarian" priest, a self proclaimed religion announced by some RUSSIAN geeks recently, I have heard about it only in 2013, as a response too invasive and aggressive promotion of Ortodox Christianity by Mr.Putin&Co. google for pastafarian church. Couple of days ago read about him being beaten heavily by Ukrainian SpecOps BERKUT. Guy has got couple of broken rib…

> This has nothing to do with anti mask law. The guy is "pastafarian" priest, a self proclaimed religion announced by some RUSSIAN geeks recently, I have heard about it only in 2013, as a response too invasive and aggressive promotion of Ortodox Christianity by Mr.Putin&Co. Pastafarianism (the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster) was created in the US in 2005. But, yes, I can see how aggressive promotion of Orthod…

Thank you, always good to learn something new.

Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Post by incosta »

egao1980 wrote: post #26
elnate wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did not know that. Could it be that is because they were depopulated of Ukranians and enthic Russians were moved in to replace them?

Check that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ukraine Basically South and East of Ukraine were not inhabited by Ukrainians, but colonized by Russian Empire - Odessa, Nikolayev, Crimea. And by the way, Holodomor advocates usually forget to mention that many more Russian and Kazakh people died during that famine and it was not specifically 'targeting' Ukrainians - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_193…

I guess this is the reason they use a Ukrainian word 'Holodomor' for it?

Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Post by doug1001 »

I have always wondered if Ukraine is really two countries. For instance, in the West (west of Kyiv), Ukrainian is spoken, people there can certainly speak Russian but they don't like to and they proudly refer to themselves as Ukrainians--land of Gogol, Shevchenko, and the Cossacks. Ukrainian is the only "official" language of Ukraine, though a couple of years ago, The eastern Ukrainian city, Dnipropetrovsk, Ukraine's 4th largest city and it's industrial heart, declared Russian as its official language. Similarly.

By contrast, in the East, many can't speak Ukrainian at all. Most refer to themselves as Russian. The West is agriculture; the East has mining and heavy industry and the Naval Base.

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