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Re: What is really happening in Ukraine

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Post by tptacek » Tue, Jan 28, 2014, 3:37 PM UTC

belorn wrote: post #320

tptacek wrote: post #311

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I agree entirely! You can't. The 2001 AUMF is scary.

You seem to totally miss the last sentence, so let me reiterate it. *The conflict is formless* The foes in the conflict are not formless, but thats beyond the point. When you have killed 1 000 terrorist, has the war been won? 100 000? a million? 10 millions? The formlessness is the conflict itself, since no one, not even you can define it. Thus the conflict itself can not be won, it can only be fought perpetually. Th…

What part of "I agree totally" did you miss?

Re: What is really happening in Ukraine

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Post by speeder » Tue, Jan 28, 2014, 8:42 PM UTC

dfc wrote: post #265

speeder wrote: post #184

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No he was not, it was an spontaneous explosion

You think the son was also targeted?

The son died in a separate attack (ie: NOT with his dad, as some people think), he was sitting in a cafe, and a drone exploded him, and several other cafe patrons.

The first US position on the attack was: "We were targeting some Al Quaeda members, this guy was nearby and got himself killed for mingling with terrorists".

Recently there has been some conflicting positions about this (including admitting that the person was targeted, or claiming the person was hit by accident while another guy nearby was targeted, or that the whole thing was a accident).

Anyway, US should not be bombing countries it is not officially in war against, specially not in urban areas (like a crowded cafe), and killing its own citizens (does not matter if they might be terrorists or not) without trial also should not be done.

Re: What is really happening in Ukraine

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Post by belorn » Wed, Jan 29, 2014, 12:25 AM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #321

belorn wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to totally miss the last sentence, so let me reiterate it. *The conflict is formless* The foes in the conflict are not formless, but thats beyond the point. When you have killed 1 000 terrorist, has the war been won? 100 000? a million? 10 millions? The formlessness is the conflict itself, since no one, not even you can define it. Thus the conflict itself can not be won, it can only be fought perpetually. Th…

What part of "I agree totally" did you miss?

Sorry, I misunderstood you post. Thought you were talking ironically.

Re: What is really happening in Ukraine

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Post by tptacek » Thu, Jan 30, 2014, 2:41 AM UTC

belorn wrote: post #323

tptacek wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What part of "I agree totally" did you miss?

Sorry, I misunderstood you post. Thought you were talking ironically.

The fact that I disagree with a lot of HN reasoning about the "global war on terror" leads a lot of people to believe that I support the "global war on terror". While I'm not exactly outraged by the targeted killing of people who are trying to blow up passenger jets from a safe house in Yemen, I definitely don't support the overall effort. I think a "war" on what is essentially a brand name is an unbelievably bad idea, one I worry that history will probably pick out as one of our top 5 worst ideas.