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Re: Rename GTFO to GOAWAY

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Post by gaius »

SDGT wrote: post #16
vonmoltke wrote: post #11

> GTFO is crass and doesn't belong in internet standards. Oh, STFU. Seriously, though, I see the point. I'm kinda torn on issues likes this. On one hand, language in a standard, particularly as it relates to implemented messages, should meet some minimum level of decorum and avoid colloquialisms. On the other hand, stuffy language battles are pointless and distract from the primary goal of releasing a usable standard…

The type of people that actually get offended by this stuff are rarely those involved with actually working with the protocol. I like this stuff. It reminds me that humans with a sense of humor build the things we use everyday, and not some emotionless robot.

Ultimately HTTP 2.0 is like IPv6, no-one actually cares.

Having said that, people do get upset about 0xDEADBEEF and 0xCAFEBABE, those people need to get lives. Or come up with some other words using only 6 letters.

Re: Rename GTFO to GOAWAY

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Post by SDGT »

vonmoltke wrote: post #17
phoen wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Understanding by the greatest possible number of people should be the goal here, in my opinion. GOAWAY makes plenty sense when compared to GTFO, assuming that not everyone who learns of it intentionally is well-versed in that of which GTFO is a relatively smaller part. Grandma wouldn't necessarily get GTFO (right away, anyway) but she would likely pick up GOAWAY in a snap. Of course, the above assumes a section of pe…

And GOAWAY is not clear and understandable from its name?

If we're really talking clear and understandable, id wager more of the world would understand FUCKOFF than it would GOAWAY, for example.

English profanity has a tendency to be better understood by other languages and countries than the appropriate western vernacular.

Re: Rename GTFO to GOAWAY

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Post by xutopia »

pohl wrote: post #10
yid wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody seems upset. This is about professionalism.

I wouldn't say that it has anything to do with the competence or skill expected of a professional. It's more a matter of decorum. Edit: I recognize that there are those who would like to load more connotations onto the term, but I think that even the above definition is just a bunch of marketing fluff promulgated by those who stand to benefit from people believing that they'll get a better result from paying someone…

Professionalism requires some decorum. Imagine if doctors called the release form the GTFO papers. If we want respect in our profession we have to stop acting like all we care about is pizza, red bull and acting like little teenagers.

Re: Rename GTFO to GOAWAY

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Post by BlackDeath3 »

zxcdw wrote: post #20
pohl wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't say that it has anything to do with the competence or skill expected of a professional. It's more a matter of decorum. Edit: I recognize that there are those who would like to load more connotations onto the term, but I think that even the above definition is just a bunch of marketing fluff promulgated by those who stand to benefit from people believing that they'll get a better result from paying someone…

Professionalism is much more than competence and/or skill, just like good sports is about good sportsmanship too.

Perhaps it would be better for everybody if "professionalism" focused more on competence and skill, and less on politically-correct bullshit.

Re: Rename GTFO to GOAWAY

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Post by icambron »

I think this is a good change because GOAWAY is simpler, more obvious, and has a tone matching the actual operation. Plus, the har-har pretense that GTFO means "General termination of future operations" is childish.

With that out of the way, the pearl-clutching about the word "fuck" and how unprofessional it is irritates me. We have this weird notion that it's OK for us to curse individually but that there's this wider world out there that hates cursing. I don't think that's true and we should stop acting like it is. More generally, I think this almost arbitrary division of professional vs unprofessional things [1] does a big disservice to actual differences in professionalism like courtesy, personal responsibility, and reliability. "If you follow these silly rules, you can pretend to be an adult!"

[1] Joel Spolsky has a great essay about this that I wasn't immediately able to find. It mentioned, among other things, how silly it is that the smell of popcorn is said to be "unprofessional".

Re: Rename GTFO to GOAWAY

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Post by elwell »

elwell wrote: post #14
mason240 wrote: post #4

People are staring to really scrape the bottom of barrel of things to be upset about.

He probably just wanted to be listed on GitHub as a 'Contributor' to the http 2 spec.

Though, I must admit guilt in this as well; that time I 'contributed' to CoffeeScript by fixing an ascii art inconsistency in the cup of coffee's water vapor in the README:

https://github.com/jashkenas/coffee-script/pull/3193

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