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The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Post by viraptor »

xiadzpl wrote: post #24

The parts where the heaviest protests take place correlate with the pre-WW II Polish borders: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curzon_Line Being from Poland I wish our politicians tried to use this situation as an opportunity to re-annex western part of Ukraine. Maybe not entire half of it, but f.eg. Lvov used to be a beautiful Polish city before the war.

Sigh... that's a really stupid idea. And what else would you want to revert to what time exactly? Give Wrocław away? Maybe also the tri-city? And get some of the Turkey instead? Isn't the worst part of Polish history about other countries annexing parts of it when there's noone to protect it? Yet you propose to do exactly the same thing here.

Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Post by JackFr »

brazzy wrote: post #18
throwaway_yy2Di wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just looked it up, and it's pretty much the same law all over Europe. Oddly it's much harsher in e.g. Germany (top penalty, 1 year prison) than Ukraine (15 days). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mask_laws (Not a commentary on Ukraine; just curiosity).

The German law was introduced in 1985 by the conservative Kohl government; it was very controversial at the time but is not much discussed now, perhaps because police and courts are rather lenient in enforcing it. I've never heard of a case where it actually led to a prison sentence.

Many localities in the US have similar laws. Not really contrioversial b/c in many cases, they were specifically targeted at the Ku Klux Klan. If you see any recent (past 50 years) of Klan marches, you'll see they have to wear modified hoods which show their faces.

Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Post by streptomycin »

JackFr wrote: post #42

Can the "One map to ..." thing please end? It feels one step away fro "One weird to trick to ..."

It'll end when it stops getting more clicks than other types of titles. If anything, it'll probably become more common before that happens. You see it all over blogs like this one, but a lot of the traditional mainstream media hasn't caught on to this type of optimization. Just wait until every headline on the front page of the NY Times starts like this...

Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Post by mathattack »

vdaniuk wrote: post #33

This is map is outdated, the situation is changing rapidly. There are now more than 10 government centers occupied by protesters. Mass protests are occurring nearly in all regions of Ukraine. BTW, good news! "Dictatorship laws" were repealed 5 minutes ago at the time of writing of this comment.

The maps were very oversimplified too. It's too bad this story is being under-reported. I think it's more than a "Red and blue states with different languages" situation. It could be a civil war, or national split, no?

Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Post by gcb0 »

mathattack wrote: post #46
vdaniuk wrote: post #33

This is map is outdated, the situation is changing rapidly. There are now more than 10 government centers occupied by protesters. Mass protests are occurring nearly in all regions of Ukraine. BTW, good news! "Dictatorship laws" were repealed 5 minutes ago at the time of writing of this comment.

The maps were very oversimplified too. It's too bad this story is being under-reported. I think it's more than a "Red and blue states with different languages" situation. It could be a civil war, or national split, no?

And what was the red vs blue initially?

Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Post by gcb0 »

Sniffnoy wrote: post #20

This map is confusing; it uses three shades of blue, two of which represent land and one of which represents water. I had to stare at both the key and an ordinary map of Ukraine for a minute in order to process what I was seeing.

The confusing part is the &$@!# graphic designer used blue and light blue right next to light blue water.

Genius. Simply genius.

Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Post by Pxtl »

saym wrote: post #3

This article helped me understand the conflict in ways I hadn't before. My constructive critique: The analogy of red states and blue states to Ukrainian language and Russian language regions doesn't fit entirely. A state is red or blue with 51% of the vote. these regions have a much larger gap between majority and minority opinion by region.

Yeah, as a Canadian, once you get a linguistic gap it really changes the political nature of a country. I mean, English Canada has the typical left-right tug-of-war, with the right going to the prairie provinces and the big cities of Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver swinging left (the suburbs are the battleground)... but then you've got Quebec that's a completely separate game. They have their own political party that doesn't run candidates outside of Quebec.

When Canada was formed, there were four political parties - the English left/right and the French left/right.

A linguistic gap completely changes the political landscape, at a level that doesn't exist in purely-Anglophonic USA.

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