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Dutch Court of Appeals overturns Pirate Bay IP blockade

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Re: Dutch Court of Appeals overturns Pirate Bay IP blockade

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely "Bittorrrent" and "The pirate bay" are two separate things? In what way are they destroying bittorrent by attacking a single tracker/index? Isn't that analoguous to saying that trying to block or shut down any random web server serving something illegal is an attack on HTTP?

Many ISPs block or limit torrent traffic, whatever the content. Mine has been doing this as far as I can remember. Have to use encrypted mode only.

The Netherlands has a net neutrality law:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality#Law_in_The_Nethe...

As a consequence, blocking or limiting Bittorrent traffic is not allowed.

Re: Dutch Court of Appeals overturns Pirate Bay IP blockade

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely "Bittorrrent" and "The pirate bay" are two separate things? In what way are they destroying bittorrent by attacking a single tracker/index? Isn't that analoguous to saying that trying to block or shut down any random web server serving something illegal is an attack on HTTP?

Many ISPs block or limit torrent traffic, whatever the content. Mine has been doing this as far as I can remember. Have to use encrypted mode only.

Yes, an attack on a particular protocol is an attack on that particular protocol. The first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club.

Re: Dutch Court of Appeals overturns Pirate Bay IP blockade

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post #17

The fight against Bittorrent is more important than many realize. If "they" get away with destroying a technology (after all, it's only a protocol) for something as unimportant as copyright, we're truly fucked.

> for something as unimportant as money Fixed that for you. Music and movies are huge industries. BTW, I think they are loosing. Sure, some laws are being passed, but there are several generations alive today that consider piracy something normal and natural. It's all a matter of who is in charge; today's leaders are old, they don't consider piracy to be good and normal. When we (our generation) become old and get in…

What are they loosing? There doesn't seem to be much evidence of them setting anything free at the moment.

Re: Dutch Court of Appeals overturns Pirate Bay IP blockade

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post #25

The ISP just said on the news that the blockade that they had to apply since 2012 was actually very helpful for their case. Independent research (from TNO) showed no decline in torrent traffic and literally no effect of the blockade. The judge ruled the blockade "ineffective" and said "there are other means of copyright protection that make more sense".

TIL TNO is the new NSA

Re: Dutch Court of Appeals overturns Pirate Bay IP blockade

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many ISPs block or limit torrent traffic, whatever the content. Mine has been doing this as far as I can remember. Have to use encrypted mode only.

Yes, an attack on a particular protocol is an attack on that particular protocol. The first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club.

Except the attack would not actually be done via HTTP, but just by blocking access to its ports.

Perhaps you could say it's an attack on TCP/IP.

Re: Dutch Court of Appeals overturns Pirate Bay IP blockade

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post #2

I think it's nice to live in a country where courts still exist that are not influenced by lobbyist and politics. Especially since BREIN has been ordered to repay the 326.000 in court fees.

It's scary that the fees where so high. (Not in the sense "I am a corp, I throw millions in my legal dept", but in the sense "if I, a person, gets sued, I am so fing fed".)

Re: Dutch Court of Appeals overturns Pirate Bay IP blockade

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> for something as unimportant as money Fixed that for you. Music and movies are huge industries. BTW, I think they are loosing. Sure, some laws are being passed, but there are several generations alive today that consider piracy something normal and natural. It's all a matter of who is in charge; today's leaders are old, they don't consider piracy to be good and normal. When we (our generation) become old and get in…

What are they loosing? There doesn't seem to be much evidence of them setting anything free at the moment.

I think the reality is that they're reacting to uncertainty which may threaten them and both those things are real but for the most part it's really just change and the best way to deal with change is to adapt rather than to fight it.

I think there are valid questions about what happens when the bulk of consumers are people who aren't used to paying for media but in many cases there are alternatives.

There have been a great many times in history where, for instance, movies were going to be killed - the introduction of the TV, the introduction of the video recorder and so on - but they're still going strong. Cinemas got nicer, screens and sound better, the whole thing became more of an experience than watching the movie at home and people kept going to the cinema as a result.

Similarly the music industry has changed it's revenue model to focus on live performances and merchandising rather than album sales. Even if album sales fall significantly they're relatively well placed to cope.

There are valid concerns (I'm not sure what an author does if people stop paying for books for instance) but if the free markets most of these corporations regard so highly mean anything then surely if there is a demand for something (say books) which someone else wants to make (say an author) then the market will, if it's possible, make it happen.

And if it doesn't then maybe we just don't want it that much after all.

Re: Dutch Court of Appeals overturns Pirate Bay IP blockade

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are they loosing? There doesn't seem to be much evidence of them setting anything free at the moment.

I think the reality is that they're reacting to uncertainty which may threaten them and both those things are real but for the most part it's really just change and the best way to deal with change is to adapt rather than to fight it. I think there are valid questions about what happens when the bulk of consumers are people who aren't used to paying for media but in many cases there are alternatives. There have been…

Part of the experience that you mention is how you get your media to begin with.

The music and movie industries have tried their best to make it as hard as possible to consume legally bought media on anything other than what they want you to watch it on. Some of this is due to piracy concerns, some due to various contracts (you will only allow this movie on Starz for the first 6 months), but all of it is in their control.

Conversely, downloading a movie via bittorent will play on anything powerful enough to process an HD movie; downloading some MP3s will play on any device thinkable. The files require no complex codes to put into crazy websites, no additional software to install, no additional devices to buy. Being free is just icing on the cake.

Case in point: I bought Pacific Rim on blue ray when it was released a few months ago. Waited for it to arrive in the mail. Defeated its stupid plastic wrap. Popped some popcorn, turned the lights off, put the disc in my PS3 (the only blue ray player I own) and... nothing. It could not play the disc without connecting to the internet to download some new blue ray decryption keys or whatever. Never had this problem before, and sadly my PS3 is not connected to the internet. This disc was useless to me. Enraged, I downloaded an 18GB HD rip of it and had it playing on my $35 raspberry pi in an hour. Has this experience soured me on buying blue rays? Of course it has.

Re: Dutch Court of Appeals overturns Pirate Bay IP blockade

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They did not really "denied" it. Their conclusion was: it just doesn't help. So we are taking away the possibility to block piratebay. The only result (according to the judge) is that less frequent downloaders look for alternatives. PS. Still glad that something like this just happens. Entertainment industry allowed firms like Netflix to rise because of their lack of vision, it's easy to blame the internet...

I think a lot of people would flock to legal alternatives if there were any. As long as there are not...

The legal services are still largely inferior to the alternatives. Most require proprietary software, DRM, a US (or other national) IP address, an always-on internet connection, a credit card, or other cumbersome anti-features.

Re: Dutch Court of Appeals overturns Pirate Bay IP blockade

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many ISPs block or limit torrent traffic, whatever the content. Mine has been doing this as far as I can remember. Have to use encrypted mode only.

The Netherlands has a net neutrality law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality#Law_in_The_Nethe... As a consequence, blocking or limiting Bittorrent traffic is not allowed.

Yeah, people tend to forget that net neutrality and censorship are two different things, albeit related.
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