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Re: Google to Buy Artificial Intelligence Startup DeepMind for $400M

#191

Ohhh, did Google buy them? Or did the AI figure that the best place to launch world domination from was inside Google so it forged a letter from Larry and Sergey offering to acquire the company? :-)

We're not commenting at YouTube level. We're in sheer awe at someone having the chutzpah to dump hundreds of millions of dollars into realizing their scifi fever dreams.

I purchase my fever dreams in dogecoin.

Re: Google to Buy Artificial Intelligence Startup DeepMind for $400M

#192

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They have an assload of cash on hand and the singularity is coming at us like a freight train. I'd think they were drunk if they weren't snatching up everything relevant in sight.

"They have an assload of cash on hand" Companies with excess cash are supposed to pay dividends and/or buy back stock.

Plus, as buffet teaches, its better to reinvest the dividends. Unless the shareholders think they can do better than the management, in which case they're free to divest.

Re: Google to Buy Artificial Intelligence Startup DeepMind for $400M

#193

How do you know if you are talented enough to pursue an intricate field like Artificial Intelligence? Or is it merely a lot of hard work?

Pick a camp: symbolic or sub-symbolic. If latter then do a neuroscience degree along with a computer science degree. Get an insight while experimenting with biological brain. Make a start-up that capitalizes on your new idea.

Getting 2 degrees sounds like way too much work. How about reading a plenty of books and research papers?

What do you mean by symbolic or sub-symbolic?

Re: Google to Buy Artificial Intelligence Startup DeepMind for $400M

#194

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Singularity is BS because there's no such thing as "machine surpassing human intelligence". Human intelligence is not a one dimensional measurement that can be "surpassed". There's not much challenge to write AI that surpasses all humans in IQ tests. You can't even say if one human surpassed other human in intelligence, how are you gonna measure machine? In the same way every one of us are intelligent in some specifi…

> You can't even say if one human surpassed other human in intelligence, how are you gonna measure machine? It's not because something is difficult to measure that it does not exist(1). Even if you don't believe in IQ tests, you gotta admit that those people Google just hired are more intelligent than the average Joe. They sure are more intelligent than me anyway. Probably more intelligent than you as well. In the sa…

> It's not because something is difficult to measure that it does not exist(1).

No, I don't say that it doesn't exists. What I say is that intelligence is not something to be expressed in one number, it doesn't work that way. Intelligence is more like NxN matrix of numbers, where each number in a matrix represent individual skill in some specific task. As for your example of Google employee and average Joe, what you mean by more intelligent is that the sum of all of that NxN matrix number for that employee is larger than of the average Joe. However if you take some particular numbers, Joe might still have them higher. For the simplest example the average Joe will know his house better than the Google employee who hasn't even been at Joe's house. And the same is for AI, just the number of that supposed intelligence matrix will be completely different than that of human. AI without human body, human body needs and without hormones to control his behavior will never be anything like human to be compared to them.

So in the end what you say I also think is true, especially about machines writing scientific papers and generally doing science already out of grasp for human mind. My problem I guess is the measurement problem.

If someone would say "singularity will be when machines will manipulate mathematical concepts and invent/discover and prove theorems that no human mathematician alive can understand" I would agree. But if they say "machine is more intelligent than any human" I can't agree. That statement makes as much sense as statement "singularity will be when apples will be more fruit than any banana".

Re: Google to Buy Artificial Intelligence Startup DeepMind for $400M

#195
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I remember that they had an impressive demo at the NIPS Deep Learning Workshop in December (probably a highlight for me and a few people I talked to afterwards) of a reinforcement learning agent playing Atari 2600 Games where the input consisted of an image that was fed through a Convolutional Neural Network. There is a paper on Arxiv that describes the approach ("Playing Atari with Deep Reinforcement Learning"[0]) b…

I actually read this paper a couple weeks ago as part of a deep learning reading group that I co-run. While several of these authors are household names in the RL community, this paper was not actually that impressive to me. The only real "deep" learning here is that they used a GPU library and stochastic gradient descent to perform Q-learning updates on a network with 3 large hidden layers. It was an interesting app…

We worked on a similar experiment two years ago (deep learning + reinforcement learning algorithm + some innovations, to learn to play Atari 2600 games). We obtained similar scores in the games we tested but we did not submit any paper because we considered that the scores were not good enough. In particular, for Space Invaders, you can easily get 600 points by hiding behind a shelter while continuously firing, and never learn how to avoid the bullet.

So, I was not impressed by their results on Space Invaders.

Overall, we struggled to learn long-term strategies (finding pure reactive strategies is easy) and to learn to avoid bullets. They did too: "The games Q*bert, Seaquest, Space Invaders, on which we are far from human performance, are more challenging because they require the network to find a strategy that extends over long time scales."

=> that's the real challenge...

Re: Google to Buy Artificial Intelligence Startup DeepMind for $400M

#196

Agh! Crap! I almost got a job with them!

I feel sorry for you :(. Are you a developer or a scientist?

I am a bit of a jack-of-all-trades. I generally bill myself as the "&" in R&D, bridging the gap between academic researchers & mathematicians and mainstream software engineering. I.e. I can do a bit of classifier design, but most of my focus tends to be on build systems, automated test systems, parameter tuning, data quality monitoring and all the nuts-and-bolts stuff that most researchers don't want to be bothered with. I am way too OCD to spend my day producing "research quality" code, and too wary of BS for my output to be just research reports and academic papers. I prefer shipping product, if you know what I mean?

I lost interest in DeepMind when I could not figure out what their business was after a couple of interviews. (The startup that I was previously working for had just run out of money). More fool me. Heh.

Re: Google to Buy Artificial Intelligence Startup DeepMind for $400M

#197
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"Small" compared to what?

Infinity. 80-ish years might not seem like much to you, but to an insect that only lives a few days it might as well be a trillion years. The point I'm trying to make is that living a really long time is not living forever, and even if your death date is the same as the universe however many trillions of years out from now, your still going to die eventually, and still going to worry about it.

Imo, there is no infinity in the real world.

Re: Google to Buy Artificial Intelligence Startup DeepMind for $400M

#198
post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Infinity. 80-ish years might not seem like much to you, but to an insect that only lives a few days it might as well be a trillion years. The point I'm trying to make is that living a really long time is not living forever, and even if your death date is the same as the universe however many trillions of years out from now, your still going to die eventually, and still going to worry about it.

Imo, there is no infinity in the real world.

If by "real world", you mean the world of things, then I would agree with you. But the world is the totality of all facts, not the totality of all things.

Re: Google to Buy Artificial Intelligence Startup DeepMind for $400M

#199

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I feel sorry for you :(. Are you a developer or a scientist?

I am a bit of a jack-of-all-trades. I generally bill myself as the "&" in R&D, bridging the gap between academic researchers & mathematicians and mainstream software engineering. I.e. I can do a bit of classifier design, but most of my focus tends to be on build systems, automated test systems, parameter tuning, data quality monitoring and all the nuts-and-bolts stuff that most researchers don't want to be bothered w…

What impression did they give you during the interviews? In retrospect, do you think that was their whole goal, to get acquihired by Google?

Re: Google to Buy Artificial Intelligence Startup DeepMind for $400M

#200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel sorry for you :(. Are you a developer or a scientist?

I am a bit of a jack-of-all-trades. I generally bill myself as the "&" in R&D, bridging the gap between academic researchers & mathematicians and mainstream software engineering. I.e. I can do a bit of classifier design, but most of my focus tends to be on build systems, automated test systems, parameter tuning, data quality monitoring and all the nuts-and-bolts stuff that most researchers don't want to be bothered w…

I still can't figure out what their business is to be frank. I get the research part but not the monetization part. I guess acqui-hire by design.
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