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Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Post by throwaway_yy2Di » Tue, Jan 28, 2014, 8:25 AM UTC

adamt wrote: post #10

BrandonMarc wrote: post #5

Can the map tell me why this guy's wearing a pasta strainer for a hat? http://twitter.com/JohnPugh/status/426369689216745472/photo/... The riot gear I understand. The other, not so much.

The government banned people from wearing any form of headgear (eg masks/blalaclavas) during protests. Some protestors have been wearing silly things in their heads as a form of humorous defiance.

I just looked it up, and it's pretty much the same law all over Europe. Oddly it's much harsher in e.g. Germany (top penalty, 1 year prison) than Ukraine (15 days).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mask_laws

(Not a commentary on Ukraine; just curiosity).

Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Post by absherwin » Tue, Jan 28, 2014, 8:29 AM UTC

Imagine that the President of this divided country allocated four times as much spending per capita to his political base and his son had earned hundreds of millions during his time in office.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych#Consolidation...

Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Post by elnate » Tue, Jan 28, 2014, 8:39 AM UTC

If my history included the Holodomor, I'd be shy of associating with Russia too.

Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Post by gpvos » Tue, Jan 28, 2014, 8:45 AM UTC

saym wrote: post #3

This article helped me understand the conflict in ways I hadn't before. My constructive critique: The analogy of red states and blue states to Ukrainian language and Russian language regions doesn't fit entirely. A state is red or blue with 51% of the vote. these regions have a much larger gap between majority and minority opinion by region.

This difference between west and east Ukraine is well-known and has been in the news in Europe a lot already in previous years.

Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Post by mikro2nd » Tue, Jan 28, 2014, 8:47 AM UTC

OT: Hating on this website that hijacks my browser's "Back" keyboard binding to take me to an endless succession of articles of absolutely no interest to me.

Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Post by oddx » Tue, Jan 28, 2014, 8:48 AM UTC

elnate wrote: post #13

If my history included the Holodomor, I'd be shy of associating with Russia too.

Actually regions harmed by mass famine in 32 and 33 are mostly pro-Russia, and most against-Russia regions weren't part of USSR at that time.

Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Post by gpvos » Tue, Jan 28, 2014, 8:49 AM UTC

guard-of-terra wrote: post #8

This map looks old. Recent maps show much wider area of protests and takeovers. http://cs310221.vk.me/v310221807/6c83/jB9ZgNkuxUA.jpg Can't find translated one atm.

Try Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan#Protests_across_Ukr...

Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Post by brazzy » Tue, Jan 28, 2014, 9:06 AM UTC

throwaway_yy2Di wrote: post #11

adamt wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government banned people from wearing any form of headgear (eg masks/blalaclavas) during protests. Some protestors have been wearing silly things in their heads as a form of humorous defiance.

I just looked it up, and it's pretty much the same law all over Europe. Oddly it's much harsher in e.g. Germany (top penalty, 1 year prison) than Ukraine (15 days). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mask_laws (Not a commentary on Ukraine; just curiosity).

The German law was introduced in 1985 by the conservative Kohl government; it was very controversial at the time but is not much discussed now, perhaps because police and courts are rather lenient in enforcing it. I've never heard of a case where it actually led to a prison sentence.

Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Post by elnate » Tue, Jan 28, 2014, 9:08 AM UTC

oddx wrote: post #16

elnate wrote: post #13

If my history included the Holodomor, I'd be shy of associating with Russia too.

Actually regions harmed by mass famine in 32 and 33 are mostly pro-Russia, and most against-Russia regions weren't part of USSR at that time.

I did not know that. Could it be that is because they were depopulated of Ukranians and enthic Russians were moved in to replace them?

Re: The one map you need to understand Ukraine’s crisis

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Post by Sniffnoy » Tue, Jan 28, 2014, 9:12 AM UTC

This map is confusing; it uses three shades of blue, two of which represent land and one of which represents water. I had to stare at both the key and an ordinary map of Ukraine for a minute in order to process what I was seeing.