What is really happening in Ukraine
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What is really happening in Ukraine
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Re: What is really happening in Ukraine
#2Why do some keep calling it a civil war instead of a revolution? Sure, the government has hired/collaborated with non-government people to cause trouble/beat up the protesters, but which tyrannical government doesn't do that during a revolution? They all do it.
Re: What is really happening in Ukraine
#3Why do some keep calling it a civil war instead of a revolution? Sure, the government has hired/collaborated with non-government people to cause trouble/beat up the protesters, but which tyrannical government doesn't do that during a revolution? They all do it.
It's a civil war because a lot of Ukrainians speaks Russian and want a "Russian" Ukraine.
Re: What is really happening in Ukraine
#4Why do some keep calling it a civil war instead of a revolution? Sure, the government has hired/collaborated with non-government people to cause trouble/beat up the protesters, but which tyrannical government doesn't do that during a revolution? They all do it.
It's a civil war because a lot of Ukrainians speaks Russian and want a "Russian" Ukraine.
It's not so much about whether they speak Russian or not. Eastern Ukraine is just generally closer ideologically to Russia whereas Western Ukraine prefers to maintain close ties with Europe.
You can see that reflected quite clearly in the split between west and east in where the protests are.
In general the president is supported by the eastern part of Ukraine, but is also a convicted criminal who sent the previous president to jail on trumped up charges (which is what's blocking their entry into the EU.)
FWIW, the linked presentation gives a pretty good overview of the dynamics at play at the moment... from the perspective of the protesters of course.
Re: What is really happening in Ukraine
#5Why do some keep calling it a civil war instead of a revolution? Sure, the government has hired/collaborated with non-government people to cause trouble/beat up the protesters, but which tyrannical government doesn't do that during a revolution? They all do it.
Is there a significant difference between a civil war and a revolution without respect to the outcome?
Re: What is really happening in Ukraine
#6Why do some keep calling it a civil war instead of a revolution? Sure, the government has hired/collaborated with non-government people to cause trouble/beat up the protesters, but which tyrannical government doesn't do that during a revolution? They all do it.
It's a civil war because a lot of Ukrainians speaks Russian and want a "Russian" Ukraine.
There is little connection if any between people speaking Russian and those wanting a "Russian" Ukraine. I come from russian-speaking part of Ukraine myself and hardly anyone here supports current government.
Re: What is really happening in Ukraine
#7This is much more informative and complete than any Western media news report. (Disclosure: I grew up in Kiev)
Re: What is really happening in Ukraine
#8Why do some keep calling it a civil war instead of a revolution? Sure, the government has hired/collaborated with non-government people to cause trouble/beat up the protesters, but which tyrannical government doesn't do that during a revolution? They all do it.
Is there a significant difference between a civil war and a revolution without respect to the outcome?
Yes. In a revolution, the population is more or less united against the government. In a civil war, there are two opposing sides, both made up of the general population fighting against each other. One of the factions in a civil war can also be supported by the government, but the point is there are civilians fighting on both sides, whereas in a revolution there are civilians only on one side.
Re: What is really happening in Ukraine
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a civil war because a lot of Ukrainians speaks Russian and want a "Russian" Ukraine.
It's not so much about whether they speak Russian or not. Eastern Ukraine is just generally closer ideologically to Russia whereas Western Ukraine prefers to maintain close ties with Europe. You can see that reflected quite clearly in the split between west and east in where the protests are. In general the president is supported by the eastern part of Ukraine, but is also a convicted criminal who sent the previous p…
> who sent the previous president to jail
Not a previous president, but his political opponent.
Re: What is really happening in Ukraine
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is there a significant difference between a civil war and a revolution without respect to the outcome?
Yes. In a revolution, the population is more or less united against the government. In a civil war, there are two opposing sides, both made up of the general population fighting against each other. One of the factions in a civil war can also be supported by the government, but the point is there are civilians fighting on both sides, whereas in a revolution there are civilians only on one side.
Or more broadly, civilians vs. people in power, whether they're a part of the government or not. (E.g. the French revolution which targeted the aristocracy.)