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What If Your Autonomous Car Keeps Routing You Past Krispy Kreme?

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Re: What If Your Autonomous Car Keeps Routing You Past Krispy Kreme?

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Just one of a bazillion questions that comes up when your car is autonomous. What happens when the sekrit tech elite want to kill you and so they make your car drive off a cliff? Interesting questions to be sure and already being examined on such shows as "CSI" in the US. Basically one of the reasons new technology rolls out slowly is that there are lots of people asking these sorts of questions and trying to have an…

Indeed. Here's a simpler one than the "sekrit tech elite" wanting to kill you...

What happens when the equivalent of the Mariposa botnet, but this time for autonomous cars, roots 12 million of autonomous cars?

But, this time, we have to believe that security is going to be done correctly, right? (this time, promised, no backdoors, no 0-days, no compromised servers, no compromised keys, etc.)

I does really hope this technology rolls out as slowly as possible because the security issues do really scare me.

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Between Glass and Google's self-driving cars, it is quite clear that the future of advertising is going to be potentially quite distopian where virtual billboards pop up based on your interest and location and where ads playing in music are based on where you are and what time of day it is. They might be as simple as a McDonalds ad for their mighty wings and your car will change course if you say "I'm loving it!".

This is actually the sort of natural endpoint of what I thought would happen with AR mobile apps and now that Google has Google Now on android, is doing glass and self driving cars, it is pretty clear what the future looks like.

It's more ads.

Re: What If Your Autonomous Car Keeps Routing You Past Krispy Kreme?

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Why is this a hypothetical future scenario? AFAIK, Google is perfectly capable of doing that even now, with route finding/guidance on Google Maps.

I had the same thought. I imagine that, in said future scenario, the author is assuming that the ubiquity of self-driving cars has progressed to the point in which drivers are far less attentive to their routes (given the autonomy of the cars). Compare that to the present; if you're using gmaps, you're engaged with where the car is going and perhaps more likely to notice the alternative route to Krispy Kreme.

Then there's the safety aspect: current mapping/gps providers would really come under fire if they were asking you to take your eyes off the road for any longer than they already do. Most, if not all, offer enough voice guidance to remove the need to look at the screen at all. Even if the decision-making process were to be done out-loud, I could see some safety concerns arising.

Re: What If Your Autonomous Car Keeps Routing You Past Krispy Kreme?

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Between Glass and Google's self-driving cars, it is quite clear that the future of advertising is going to be potentially quite distopian where virtual billboards pop up based on your interest and location and where ads playing in music are based on where you are and what time of day it is. They might be as simple as a McDonalds ad for their mighty wings and your car will change course if you say "I'm loving it!". Th…

Pohl and Kornbluth nailed it in the 1950s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Space_Merchants

Re: What If Your Autonomous Car Keeps Routing You Past Krispy Kreme?

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Currently, the driver.

Four people are in the car, two friends, and two people who are on the title and regs. There is no steering wheel. Whose license do the points go on?

Probably the same person that gets points when they cause an accident with their bicycle: i.e., nobody, because you don't get points for that.

Re: What If Your Autonomous Car Keeps Routing You Past Krispy Kreme?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another case worse than partially-hijacked trips was mentioned in a slashdot post, and if I recall correctly, there was a vague reference to the autonomous-car-makers considering it, and it has bothered me ever since. Imagine a situation where a crash appears to the AI of car C1 to be be inevitable. But also, if C1 executes maneuver M1, its own occupants will be saved from harm, but another car C2 will have a worse c…

And imagine if the AI also rated the car occupants on their future value to society.

If we're talking about Google, I assume it would rank people based on the number of friends they have in Google+.

Re: What If Your Autonomous Car Keeps Routing You Past Krispy Kreme?

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Just one of a bazillion questions that comes up when your car is autonomous. What happens when the sekrit tech elite want to kill you and so they make your car drive off a cliff? Interesting questions to be sure and already being examined on such shows as "CSI" in the US. Basically one of the reasons new technology rolls out slowly is that there are lots of people asking these sorts of questions and trying to have an…

Another case worse than partially-hijacked trips was mentioned in a slashdot post, and if I recall correctly, there was a vague reference to the autonomous-car-makers considering it, and it has bothered me ever since. Imagine a situation where a crash appears to the AI of car C1 to be be inevitable. But also, if C1 executes maneuver M1, its own occupants will be saved from harm, but another car C2 will have a worse c…

It is likely that an AI sophisticated enough to make the consideration will be sophisticated enough to avoid the question.

That is, there isn't all that much reason for the cars to be operating on the precipice of disaster.

(If you want to say "But what about uncontrollable and unforeseen circumstances?", we should hope that we make the test out to be 'better than most humans', not 'perfect')

Re: What If Your Autonomous Car Keeps Routing You Past Krispy Kreme?

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Just one of a bazillion questions that comes up when your car is autonomous. What happens when the sekrit tech elite want to kill you and so they make your car drive off a cliff? Interesting questions to be sure and already being examined on such shows as "CSI" in the US. Basically one of the reasons new technology rolls out slowly is that there are lots of people asking these sorts of questions and trying to have an…

>What happens when the sekrit tech elite want to kill you and so they make your car drive off a cliff?

It's considerably easier to physically tamper with a car, such as the good old Hollywood standby of cutting brake lines.

Why worry about a fantasy of people trying to attack you remotely when there are plenty of real organizations that are much more likely to tamper with your car now?

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