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South Korea bans unremovable mobile bloatware

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Re: South Korea bans unremovable mobile bloatware

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post #7

This is why I sold my wife's Samsung and got her an iPhone again. I rather pay 700 for something made to delight me then 300 for something that can be used to show me crap apps

This is a false dichotomy. The Nexus 5 is $349 off-contract and has no bloatware. The Moto X is going on sale for just $300 off-contract tomorrow (the regular off-contract price being $400).

The Moto X comes with unremovable bloatware if you are on Verizon.

Re: South Korea bans unremovable mobile bloatware

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This unwarranted government intervention is not good though I hate the bloatware.

Everytime I visit my parents I end up spending half an hour removing browser toolbars, make your PC fast software. So I bought them a brand new Lenovo laptop just to find that there were 22 different kind of bloatware from DNS related stuff to browser toolbars to some weird webcam and what not software.

No matter how much I hate them, these bloatware help reduce prices of the laptops making them more affordable to many. Let the market function well. Government intervention is unwarranted.

Re: South Korea bans unremovable mobile bloatware

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post #12

This unwarranted government intervention is not good though I hate the bloatware. Everytime I visit my parents I end up spending half an hour removing browser toolbars, make your PC fast software. So I bought them a brand new Lenovo laptop just to find that there were 22 different kind of bloatware from DNS related stuff to browser toolbars to some weird webcam and what not software. No matter how much I hate them, t…

How much money do you reckon they saved on the laptop? How much is your time worth?

Re: South Korea bans unremovable mobile bloatware

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post #6

As much as I hate bloatware, this is another example of unwarranted regulation. Encourage more competition in the mobile carrier space and the free market will solve this better than any government can.

Why is this unwarranted? The free market is there but we still have bloatware.

Free market does not mean death to bloatware, quite the contrary. One of the reason why we have bloatware is because a significant amount of population does not really care about it and even if they do they prefer bloatware over an expensive laptop. The bloatware helps vendors reduced the prices of their devices by $10 - $20 making it more competitive.

Re: South Korea bans unremovable mobile bloatware

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One minor technical difference: you don't need to actually flash a new OS to your device to remove Android bloatware, "/system/app mover" will do the trick. Of course this does not help if the manufacturer replaced core stock Android software with their own (Samsung), but at least in the case of Samsung I can't really complain on their replacements.

Doesn't the phone needs to be rooted for that to work? And rooting normally voids the warranty.

Re: South Korea bans unremovable mobile bloatware

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this unwarranted? The free market is there but we still have bloatware.

Road to hell, good intentions etc... Does it need to be a regulation? Silly regulations is what made South Korea entirely dependent on Internet Explorer.

The regulation you mention here is certainly outdated NOW, but when it was passed it was a very pragmatic decision.

The anti-bloatware law is more than welcome, because competition keeps failing to reach the desired outcome. Regulations are exactly the right thing to do when competition and market fundamentally fails to reach what constitutes sanity, and converges to a local minimum.

Needless to say, such regulations should certainly be revisited when the root cause vanishes.

Re: South Korea bans unremovable mobile bloatware

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One minor technical difference: you don't need to actually flash a new OS to your device to remove Android bloatware, "/system/app mover" will do the trick. Of course this does not help if the manufacturer replaced core stock Android software with their own (Samsung), but at least in the case of Samsung I can't really complain on their replacements.

Doesn't the phone needs to be rooted for that to work? And rooting normally voids the warranty.

Rooting and flashing another firmware is an entirely different process!

Rooting usually involves setting a configuration flag, maybe hacking the bootloader, which is for most devices a point and click op. Flashing a firmware is "real" hacking compared to rooting!

Re: South Korea bans unremovable mobile bloatware

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a false dichotomy. The Nexus 5 is $349 off-contract and has no bloatware. The Moto X is going on sale for just $300 off-contract tomorrow (the regular off-contract price being $400).

The Moto X comes with unremovable bloatware if you are on Verizon.

That's if you get it though Verizon, its better to (byod), not buy on contract...

Re: South Korea bans unremovable mobile bloatware

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post #12

This unwarranted government intervention is not good though I hate the bloatware. Everytime I visit my parents I end up spending half an hour removing browser toolbars, make your PC fast software. So I bought them a brand new Lenovo laptop just to find that there were 22 different kind of bloatware from DNS related stuff to browser toolbars to some weird webcam and what not software. No matter how much I hate them, t…

How much money do you reckon they saved on the laptop? How much is your time worth?

Are you implying that parent should be charging his or her parents for the work, or that he or she should cover the difference out of pocket?

Re: South Korea bans unremovable mobile bloatware

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this unwarranted? The free market is there but we still have bloatware.

Road to hell, good intentions etc... Does it need to be a regulation? Silly regulations is what made South Korea entirely dependent on Internet Explorer.

So only because some regulations were/are bad, all regulations are bad?

Come on...

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