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What If Your Autonomous Car Keeps Routing You Past Krispy Kreme?

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Re: What If Your Autonomous Car Keeps Routing You Past Krispy Kreme?

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Just one of a bazillion questions that comes up when your car is autonomous. What happens when the sekrit tech elite want to kill you and so they make your car drive off a cliff? Interesting questions to be sure and already being examined on such shows as "CSI" in the US.

Basically one of the reasons new technology rolls out slowly is that there are lots of people asking these sorts of questions and trying to have answers before they ship. Sometimes that works well, sometimes not (cite battery issues on 787).

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Just one of a bazillion questions that comes up when your car is autonomous. What happens when the sekrit tech elite want to kill you and so they make your car drive off a cliff? Interesting questions to be sure and already being examined on such shows as "CSI" in the US. Basically one of the reasons new technology rolls out slowly is that there are lots of people asking these sorts of questions and trying to have an…

Didn't the first one already happen with Michael Hastings? Although to be fair, it's just suspicions and not any officially accepted story. Nonetheless, they're fairly strong suspicions, same as with the Karl Koch case.

Re: What If Your Autonomous Car Keeps Routing You Past Krispy Kreme?

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This brings up very interesting ideas and questions that will happen with autonomous cars.

Routes and retail along those routes will enter a new era. Building a store you have to take into account algorithms of the vehicles. Slight changes to a widely used system could shut down a business faster than individual human choice (although it may also make other businesses seen more as it distributes traffic across more roads - hot spots could become medium and less travelled areas could become more lucrative).

Also, wouldn't it lessen ad hoc pulling into McDonalds on the way home? If the machine is in control then you might not go get a donut even if it is along the route, you'd schedule it in more ahead of time. In the same way e-commerce is more direct, traveling will be more direct and the items at the checkout are not as distracting, same as passing other stores, you'll be busy doing other things like passengers possibly.

Re: What If Your Autonomous Car Keeps Routing You Past Krispy Kreme?

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I don't think anyone is going to be dumb enough to try the specific scenario this article outlines. The real world is noisy, and in practice, an objective like "reroute path to include Krispy Kreme, but only if it isn't too far out of the way" is going to have too many edge cases to do 100% reliably.

And it only takes one "my car made me 40 minutes late to work by trying to take me by a Krispy Kreme in the next town" story to turn this idea into a gigantic embarrassment for everyone involved.

Re: What If Your Autonomous Car Keeps Routing You Past Krispy Kreme?

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This isn't that scary, in situations where the passenger does not own the vehicle the route is probably going to be shown to them on the device that they use to request the car, so there is plenty of opportunity for a negotiated route (rather than a route determined strictly by the vehicle/operator).

The trick is convincing enough people that they should pay attention to the route they pay for.

Re: What If Your Autonomous Car Keeps Routing You Past Krispy Kreme?

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post #2

Just one of a bazillion questions that comes up when your car is autonomous. What happens when the sekrit tech elite want to kill you and so they make your car drive off a cliff? Interesting questions to be sure and already being examined on such shows as "CSI" in the US. Basically one of the reasons new technology rolls out slowly is that there are lots of people asking these sorts of questions and trying to have an…

Didn't the first one already happen with Michael Hastings? Although to be fair, it's just suspicions and not any officially accepted story. Nonetheless, they're fairly strong suspicions, same as with the Karl Koch case.

Regardless of whether or not that is true (and full disclosure, I doubt that it is from what I've read) it is surprising to me how something with tenuous evidence can be presumptively believed to be true in certain circles. His own wife says it was a "tragic accident", and his brother says he believed Hastings to be in a "manic episode" at the time.

Why is it that random people on the internet have so much more suspicion and rage than his loved ones who were closest to him?

This isn't really meant to be directed at you, so much as expressing my frustration with a sort of casual canonization of a dubious event as a conspiracy.

Re: What If Your Autonomous Car Keeps Routing You Past Krispy Kreme?

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Back when in dashboard GPS was a thing, wasn't access to the device cut off while the vehicle was in gear? I wonder how that will interact with an autonomous vehicle.

There are some interesting financial issues where driving me, slowly, past every McDonalds would waste a lot of time and gas. How much gasoline will I have to buy because a retailer purchased X number of drivebys?

For a variety of interesting and irrelevant dietary reasons I don't eat at McDonalds. Presumably a smart enough socially connected car would understand that and not waste my gasoline, time, mileage, and a restauranteurs purchased drivebys so it would not route me past McDonalds. There are two amusements. The first is lying and suddenly according to social media 90% of americans are now following a paleo vegan diet, or never eat any cuisine except Bolivian (because to the best of my knowledge there are no centers of Bolivian cuisine anywhere nearby me) The second is the car equivalent of "swatting" where you fool a social network into believing the victim is a huge supporter of NORML so it routes the car thru some interesting neighborhoods, or endless fun with rightwingers who are now "in the closet" per social media so they get routed past certain bars and bathhouses and such.

One significant problem is autonomous vehicles would remove the need to pay as much attention outside... so advertising would seem fairly pointless. I use mythtv at home to skip legacy TV network commercials; coming up with an exciting new technology to tailor TV commercials to me, which I'm going to skip anyway, sounds very much like horseshoe mfgrs trying to tailor their horseshoes to appeal to the new automobile invention a century or so ago. If no one's looking out the window any more, why spend all that money on signs? Just send them email spam. You can sent a lot of social media spam for the cost of running a giant neon sign 24x7 for a decade.

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