They should play monopoly. The game would be over even faster.
Bill Gates already won all the Monopoly in 2001
Bill Gates loses to Magnus Carlsen in 9 moves
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Re: Bill Gates loses to Magnus Carlsen in 9 moves
#132Bill Gates also famously plays cards and other one-on-one games with Warren Buffet. I would love to have an insight into the conversations that take place during those games. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP1nAvi85g0
Also, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontransitive_dice
Warren Buffet had a collection of non-transitive dice (dice with non-standard numbers, with special properties ... basically a paper-scissors-rock set of dice). He offered Bill a bet, and suggested Bill pick the dice first (and Warren would then pick the dice most likely to beat Bill's). Bill, of course, realised it was some sort of trick, and examined the dice, then suggested Warren pick first.
Re: Bill Gates loses to Magnus Carlsen in 9 moves
#133Actually, Carlsen was playing for tricks (as might be reasonable when you have just 30 seconds). Bill Gates had a winning position on the 9th move. If instead of 9. Nxe5?? which allows an immediate checkmate, he had played 9. Re1!, he would have had a huge advantage. I'm an international master, and more importantly, my computer backs up my opinion. I'm surprised Carlsen played a game with just 30 seconds on his cloc…
When the difference in level is so big you can use the opponent time to think. Bill has 2:00, but Carlsen has 2:30 :) (I’m not an international master, but I played a lot of chess while I was a child, including some matches with 5:00 for me and 2:00 for the other player.)
Yeah, but Carlsen had just 30 seconds, which restricts the number of moves he can physically play (I'd say that it takes 1 secod to play a move).
Re: Bill Gates loses to Magnus Carlsen in 9 moves
#134How long would it take you to lose against Mike Tyson in a boxing fight?
Re: Bill Gates loses to Magnus Carlsen in 9 moves
#135Make me appreciate Go that much more - to me, Go seems a much more enjoyable game when the opponents are mismatched. Even though I'm pretty good at Go, it's enjoyable to play with a beginner. You don't have to trounce them to find satisfaction.
yeah, go is fun.
i'm always surprised to find out who's good at go. i've known some video game developers to be better than some grad students.
so to return to the article, being good at these games, like any other skill, is, in part, a matter of practice. i don't think gates need (or does, actually) feel, "intellectually inadequate," unless he's been practicing chess almost full-time for the past 10 years.
Re: Bill Gates loses to Magnus Carlsen in 9 moves
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just to put this in context, any game in which you checkmate your opponent in under 20 moves is considered to be an incredibly quick game, where your opponent must have helped you by playing a really horrible move. The game is over before it has even started to develop. To be checkmated in 9 moves means you basically were making the worst possible move many times. It would be easy for any marginally skilled chess pla…
I wonder how many moves a random valid move generator would be expected to survive against a master.
You mean if the generator chose a random move from the available legal options? Could easily be beat in ~10 moves or fewer, I'd bet.
Re: Bill Gates loses to Magnus Carlsen in 9 moves
#137When you have all the openings memorised, as the champs do, it is not really playing until 10 or 20 moves in. It is not really playing a game in this situation, it is Magnus going through the motions.
That's only the case when both players know the openings and follow "textbook" moves throughout the opening. When playing against amateurs, you're usually out of the memorized lines in just a few moves, so at that point it just becomes tactical.
Re: Bill Gates loses to Magnus Carlsen in 9 moves
#138Actually, Carlsen was playing for tricks (as might be reasonable when you have just 30 seconds). Bill Gates had a winning position on the 9th move. If instead of 9. Nxe5?? which allows an immediate checkmate, he had played 9. Re1!, he would have had a huge advantage. I'm an international master, and more importantly, my computer backs up my opinion. I'm surprised Carlsen played a game with just 30 seconds on his cloc…
Carlsen actually said he was just playing that for tricks, and started trying to explain this in the Skarvlan show itself, but camera pans quickly away.
The episode is available here http://www.svtplay.se/video/1753565/del-3-av-12 but you need to understand Norwegian (speech) or Swedish (subtitles).
Edit: The preamble to the chess game starts at 53:00 and is in English.
Re: Bill Gates loses to Magnus Carlsen in 9 moves
#139Best commentary of the match, by Jerry!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0QdI0rVoHA&feature=em-upload...
Re: Bill Gates loses to Magnus Carlsen in 9 moves
#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's nothing super special about an amazing chess player that would let them check mate you in 9 movies unless you play horrendously. Grand Masters are not super heros of chess. They are 'comprehensive.' Lets be real rather than gaudy. I should mention that I am a chess master and have played GMs online.
If an amateur had 10 hours to think about each move of a chess game, and the GM he was playing against had 1 second for each move (and couldn't think on the amateur's time), the GM would still _crush_ the amateur. GMs kind of are super heroes of chess. (it is true though that 9 moves is a silly short game. most amateurs would last longer)
That is simply incorrect. A GM can perhaps give a strong amateur (2000+) 1 to 5 time odds, maybe 1 to 7, in under a minute time controls. Larger odds would be arrogant, foolish or even suicidal, depending on the specific GM (rating, opening repertoire, etc.)