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Bill Gates loses to Magnus Carlsen in 9 moves

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Re: Bill Gates loses to Magnus Carlsen in 9 moves

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Post by pjungwir »

throwaway_yy2Di wrote: post #20

1. e4 Nc6 2. Nf3 d5 3. Bd3 Nf6 4. exd5 Qxd5 5. Nc3 Qh5 6. 0-0 Bg4 7. h3 Ne5 ╔═══════════════╗ ║♜ … … … ♚ ♝ … ♜║ ║♟ ♟ ♟ … ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟║ ║… … … … … ♞ … …║ ║… … … … ♞ … … ♛║ ║… … … … … … ♝ …║ ║… … ♘ ♗ … ♘ … ♙║ ║♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ … ♙ ♙ …║ ║♖ … ♗ ♕ … ♖ ♔ …║ ╚═══════════════╝ 8. hxg4 Nfxg4 9. Nxe5 Qh2# ╔═══════════════╗ ║♜ … … … ♚ ♝ … ♜║ ║♟ ♟ ♟ … ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟║ ║… … … … … … … …║ ║… … … … ♘ … … …║ ║… … … … … … ♞ …║ ║… … ♘ ♗ … … … …║ ║♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ……

I'm no expert, but since all the other comments are just complaining, here are my (very amateur) thoughts:

1. e4

The most common opening in chess. Bill knows he's supposed to bring out some knights and bishops in these next few moves, which is good!

1. ... Nc6 2. Nf3 d5

Both black moves aim for an open center so he can make it a fast game with plenty options to attack. His move invites Bill to waste a turn changing the center from pawn vs pawn to queen vs nothing. To his credit Bill resists capturing for a bit!

3. Bd3

Doesn't make much sense to block your queen pawn like this. Of course he's trying to support e4 or win d5, but he's tying himself in knots.

3. ... Nf6 4. exd5 Qxd5

Magnus is ahead in development.

5. Nc3 Qh5

I'm sure Magnus would have played more conservatively against a better player. But in this case, he might as well attack!

6. 0-0

Seems like Bill stepped right into the line of fire here, but his blocked queen pawn makes everything else hard to move.

6. ... Bg4

Pinning the knight. This immobilizes yet another piece and makes Bill's queen even more stuck.

7. h3

Moving the pawns in front of your castled king usually weakens your defenses. And hxg4 is suicidal.

7. ... Ne5

Attack! Magnus is happy to give up material to gain time and open vulnerabilities.

8. hxg4 Nfxg4 9. Nxe5

Getting greedy, but even if he did something else, was there was any way to stop that queen?

I've lost games more quickly than Bill, and not to grandmasters, so props to him for at least making reasonable moves.

Re: Bill Gates loses to Magnus Carlsen in 9 moves

#52

Post by oldstrangers »

deletes wrote: post #43
oldstrangers wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Carlsen had a 30 second clock. Even an average player should've been able to put Carlsen into time pressure at that point, assuming you didn't fall into any silly traps like Gates did.

It is a trick actually. The more time the opponent has, the easier it is for Carlsen, as he uses his opponents turn time to think. An average player doesn't have the skill to put him under pressure. +edit: you also usually get an extra second or two ( depending on the total time ) per move.

Its not really. If I was Bill I would've played a very passive game, shutting down the middle of the board as quickly as possible. Create as complex a middle game as possible, and let Carslen go all in on sacrifices or whatever he'd need to do to break the board open. Deny as many exchanges as possible, win on time.

Re: Bill Gates loses to Magnus Carlsen in 9 moves

#53

Post by oldstrangers »

georgemcbay wrote: post #45
deletes wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a trick actually. The more time the opponent has, the easier it is for Carlsen, as he uses his opponents turn time to think. An average player doesn't have the skill to put him under pressure. +edit: you also usually get an extra second or two ( depending on the total time ) per move.

Yeah he has time to think when the opponent is moving, but 30 seconds just isn't a lot of time if you consider there is a minimum practical time per move just based on the physical reality of being a human that has to move the piece and hit the clock, as illustrated pretty well by Carlsen's move where he knocked over a piece and burnt something like 3 seconds on one move. I think any decently skilled (but non-world-c…

"Justin Beiber of chess".

'The Mozart of chess' is the general consensus. The 'Justin Beiber of chess' is rather insulting.

Re: Bill Gates loses to Magnus Carlsen in 9 moves

#57

Post by markhelo »

oldstrangers wrote: post #36
elorant wrote: post #22

The amazing part for someone like me who knows just basic chess is how aggressive Carlsen was. It’s scary seeing him coming on you with all those pieces and instantaneous moves. It also gives you a measure of his grandeur. It seems BillG got panicked given the little time he had to think his moves; at least I’d do.

Carlsen had a 30 second clock. Even an average player should've been able to put Carlsen into time pressure at that point, assuming you didn't fall into any silly traps like Gates did.

Disagree. In 30 seconds Carlsen has a much higher recall of the vast number of boards he has played than an average person. This is a mismatch even if Bill Gates is really smart. So in 30 seconds whatever plans an average chess player can conjure up, Carlsen has already seen them 10 moves ahead.

Re: Bill Gates loses to Magnus Carlsen in 9 moves

#58

Post by georgemcbay »

oldstrangers wrote: post #53
georgemcbay wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah he has time to think when the opponent is moving, but 30 seconds just isn't a lot of time if you consider there is a minimum practical time per move just based on the physical reality of being a human that has to move the piece and hit the clock, as illustrated pretty well by Carlsen's move where he knocked over a piece and burnt something like 3 seconds on one move. I think any decently skilled (but non-world-c…

"Justin Beiber of chess". 'The Mozart of chess' is the general consensus. The 'Justin Beiber of chess' is rather insulting.

I agree with you, I was sarcastically quoting the article this was linked to.

2nd paragraph under the video:

""Wow, that was fast," he said to Carlsen, whose rockstar appeal has won him the moniker the "Justin Bieber of chess.""

Re: Bill Gates loses to Magnus Carlsen in 9 moves

#59

Post by oldstrangers »

georgemcbay wrote: post #58
oldstrangers wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Justin Beiber of chess". 'The Mozart of chess' is the general consensus. The 'Justin Beiber of chess' is rather insulting.

I agree with you, I was sarcastically quoting the article this was linked to. 2nd paragraph under the video: ""Wow, that was fast," he said to Carlsen, whose rockstar appeal has won him the moniker the "Justin Bieber of chess.""

Haha ouch. That's awful.
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