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As the Mac Turns 30, Apple Ponders ‘Post-PC’ Era

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Re: As the Mac Turns 30, Apple Ponders ‘Post-PC’ Era

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Post by Argorak »

ItendToDisagree wrote: post #48
Argorak wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is also not true. I never payed for OS X, like as a line item on an invoice. I do cover the cost of manufacturing, as with _every other good sold for profit_ out there. I do cover the cost of the software on the hardware, but the same is true for about any device I buy. The thing is: Microsoft is trading software as a good. Even if I buy a machine with Windows, I can actually, in some legislations, ask for my l…

As you pointed out, you did 'pay' for the software, because its wrapped up into the hardware cost. My point is that it is not 'free' in that you can't freely download and install it onto a computer ala Linux/unix. You can not sell new computers with OSX preinstalled. That more or less defines that it is not 'free' when compared with an actual free OS. Not being able to buy a license without the hardware doesn't make…

The parent stated "free" (as beer). We're not talking "free" (as speech). And free as beer it is, it is never on a bill.

Re: As the Mac Turns 30, Apple Ponders ‘Post-PC’ Era

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Post by ItendToDisagree »

Argorak wrote: post #61
ItendToDisagree wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As you pointed out, you did 'pay' for the software, because its wrapped up into the hardware cost. My point is that it is not 'free' in that you can't freely download and install it onto a computer ala Linux/unix. You can not sell new computers with OSX preinstalled. That more or less defines that it is not 'free' when compared with an actual free OS. Not being able to buy a license without the hardware doesn't make…

The parent stated "free" (as beer). We're not talking "free" (as speech). And free as beer it is, it is never on a bill.

It is still paid for. As if you paid for an all inclusive meal at an establishment and received 'free' beer as part of the meal. Just because its not on an itemized list doesn't mean it is free.

Re: As the Mac Turns 30, Apple Ponders ‘Post-PC’ Era

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Post by bryanlarsen »

protomyth wrote: post #58
bryanlarsen wrote: post #56

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The frame on the new F150 is still steel, it's the body that's changing to aluminum. It's still using a steel ladder frame design, although they're using a higher strength steel to remove some of the weight from the frame.

No, they switched to a unibody aluminum http://www.trucktrend.com/features/consumer/163_news_130401_... (although I did say 2014 for year when I should have said 2015 model released in 2014 - friggin car years)

link to news, not rumors:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405270230361280...

Re: As the Mac Turns 30, Apple Ponders ‘Post-PC’ Era

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Post by ItendToDisagree »

MaysonL wrote: post #57
aestra wrote: post #19

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>It used to be that people would get angry if you called their Apple Computer a PC People still get angry if you call their Apple branded personal computer a PC and will argue with you forever about why it isn't one. It makes as much sense as saying the iPhone isn't a phone and the iPad isn't a tablet.

It does amuse me when people refuse to lump iPads in with PC's (which points up the fact that Apple is by far the leading PC vendor).

Well in a sense they are not. The difference was made up by Apple many years ago (before the John Hodgeman commercials even) that Apple Computers were not PCs. The point made sense to the extent that they used their own architecture and chips (not just Intel computers running a different OS).

But in the classic sense yes iPads are Personal Computers. They just are not PCs in the 'I bought an IBM' (when you purchased a Gateway/Dell/Compaq) and you really mean an x86 sense.

Re: As the Mac Turns 30, Apple Ponders ‘Post-PC’ Era

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Post by protomyth »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #63
protomyth wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they switched to a unibody aluminum http://www.trucktrend.com/features/consumer/163_news_130401_... (although I did say 2014 for year when I should have said 2015 model released in 2014 - friggin car years)

link to news, not rumors: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405270230361280...

Guess you are correct, I was even told by the dealer, guess we all believed the rumors and the demo pickup. I wonder if that will change anything.

http://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/2015/

Re: As the Mac Turns 30, Apple Ponders ‘Post-PC’ Era

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Post by snowwrestler »

yslow wrote: post #9

Why are Microsoft's profits from Windows excluded from the numbers while profits from OS X are included? Why isn't MS considered part of the PC industry?

Because Microsoft is a supplier not a computer manufacturer. If you're going to include them, then why not include Intel or Samsung PC revenues as well?

Re: As the Mac Turns 30, Apple Ponders ‘Post-PC’ Era

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Post by gress »

webwright wrote: post #60
gress wrote: post #39

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It sounds as though you think the best way to impact more lives is to use predatory pricing to drive the competition out of business in order to establish a monopoly. It's logically true that this might work as a strategy, but it's rather depressing.

Walmart certainly takes it to predatory levels. I only used them as an example of what can happen to businesses that focus on "sustainable profit" above all else. I'm not sure the strategy of "earn zero-to-no profit to gain market share and scare away potential competitors" is inherently evil or predatory (though it certainly can be).

I think that the reason why it's problematic is that it is focused on reducing diversity of competition, which reduces the number of ideas that get developed and tested in the marketplace and retards progress.
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