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As the Mac Turns 30, Apple Ponders ‘Post-PC’ Era

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Re: As the Mac Turns 30, Apple Ponders ‘Post-PC’ Era

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Post by bueno »

protomyth wrote: post #15
ArbitraryLimits wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

F-150's aren't the "trucks" he's talking about. F-150s are cars for people who want to feel like they're in a truck. In fact I think by "truck" he pretty much means "trucks not sold directly to consumers." Like a semi, an actual delivery truck, MAYBE an F-450 in a pinch.

Uhm, I can say with some certainty that a lot of North Dakota farmers would take issue with your statement. F-150s are workhorses around here and there is a bit of concern with the 2014 F-150 given the vehicles many uses. I can see this being true in the cities, but it is also sold to a lot of contractors who take it to job sites. The Super Duty (F-450) is actually something to buy if you have a specialized need.

Isn't that the point of Job's statement? The F-150 workhorse is to the traditional computer as a Dodge Dart is to the iPhone / iPad.

It also seems to be true that many people who own these trucks have no use for them. I wish I had a picture of my high schools parking lot.

Re: As the Mac Turns 30, Apple Ponders ‘Post-PC’ Era

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Post by ItendToDisagree »

stephencanon wrote: post #30
ItendToDisagree wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that has changed since 2006ish. Outback/CR-V, etc are now classified as Crossovers (at least for sales purposes). The light duty truck classification has to do with loaded weight rather than anything else as far as I remember... But maybe that has changed also?

I thought I remembered something like that too, but when I looked around I found lots of announcements like the following (July 2013): "Honda light trucks posted record June sales on the strength of CR-V, Pilot and Odyssey”. (To say nothing of the absurdity that > 50% of Acura sales are “trucks”). http://www.honda.com/newsandviews/article.aspx?id=7269-en

Haha that is pretty funny! And I thought somehow some minor semblance of sanity had been introduced. Fool me once... Point is can't get fooled again.

Re: As the Mac Turns 30, Apple Ponders ‘Post-PC’ Era

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Post by ItendToDisagree »

chx wrote: post #32
ItendToDisagree wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that 'just' for their server division? I'm fairly certain IBM is up to much more than hardware sales at this point. Although for awhile they were the eponymous PC manufacturer.

Nope, he means the 2004 sale of the PC business. The servers sale now is 2.3B.

Ah so!

Re: As the Mac Turns 30, Apple Ponders ‘Post-PC’ Era

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Post by [deleted] »

bigdubs wrote: post #4

This comment struck me: "He compared the PCs changing status to how trucks took a diminished role when the U.S. shifted to an industrial nation from an agrarian one." It seems myopic now as the F-150 is still the #1 best selling vehicle in the US. I do see the point of the PC as the 'utilitarian' device vs. the iOS devices as the more mainstream, recreational devices. The analogy was just bad.

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Re: As the Mac Turns 30, Apple Ponders ‘Post-PC’ Era

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Post by jiggy2011 »

ArbitraryLimits wrote: post #10
bigdubs wrote: post #4

This comment struck me: "He compared the PCs changing status to how trucks took a diminished role when the U.S. shifted to an industrial nation from an agrarian one." It seems myopic now as the F-150 is still the #1 best selling vehicle in the US. I do see the point of the PC as the 'utilitarian' device vs. the iOS devices as the more mainstream, recreational devices. The analogy was just bad.

F-150's aren't the "trucks" he's talking about. F-150s are cars for people who want to feel like they're in a truck. In fact I think by "truck" he pretty much means "trucks not sold directly to consumers." Like a semi, an actual delivery truck, MAYBE an F-450 in a pinch.

So F-150's are laptops then?

Re: As the Mac Turns 30, Apple Ponders ‘Post-PC’ Era

#46

Post by guelo »

protomyth wrote: post #15
ArbitraryLimits wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

F-150's aren't the "trucks" he's talking about. F-150s are cars for people who want to feel like they're in a truck. In fact I think by "truck" he pretty much means "trucks not sold directly to consumers." Like a semi, an actual delivery truck, MAYBE an F-450 in a pinch.

Uhm, I can say with some certainty that a lot of North Dakota farmers would take issue with your statement. F-150s are workhorses around here and there is a bit of concern with the 2014 F-150 given the vehicles many uses. I can see this being true in the cities, but it is also sold to a lot of contractors who take it to job sites. The Super Duty (F-450) is actually something to buy if you have a specialized need.

They're worried the 2014 model has been influenced by liberals and it doesn't pollute enough.

Re: As the Mac Turns 30, Apple Ponders ‘Post-PC’ Era

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Post by pooriaazimi »

ItendToDisagree wrote: post #18
charleswalter wrote: post #3

microsoft is so stupid, haha

Someone has to be the 'professional' for someone else to be the 'hipster'. Comparison is important to Apple's brand. Unless I was reading those John Hodgeman commercials all wrong.

Please don't dignify trolls with an answer. Just downvote them and move on.

Re: As the Mac Turns 30, Apple Ponders ‘Post-PC’ Era

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Post by ItendToDisagree »

Argorak wrote: post #37
nkassis wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure but he's pointing out that to get the free upgrades you had to pay for a license at some point that entitles you to free upgrades that Apple makes available.

Which is also not true. I never payed for OS X, like as a line item on an invoice. I do cover the cost of manufacturing, as with _every other good sold for profit_ out there. I do cover the cost of the software on the hardware, but the same is true for about any device I buy. The thing is: Microsoft is trading software as a good. Even if I buy a machine with Windows, I can actually, in some legislations, ask for my l…

As you pointed out, you did 'pay' for the software, because its wrapped up into the hardware cost.

My point is that it is not 'free' in that you can't freely download and install it onto a computer ala Linux/unix. You can not sell new computers with OSX preinstalled. That more or less defines that it is not 'free' when compared with an actual free OS.

Not being able to buy a license without the hardware doesn't make it free. It just makes it tied to the hardware. There is still a EULA (End User License Agreement) and thus a License.

Re: As the Mac Turns 30, Apple Ponders ‘Post-PC’ Era

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Post by protomyth »

bueno wrote: post #41
protomyth wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uhm, I can say with some certainty that a lot of North Dakota farmers would take issue with your statement. F-150s are workhorses around here and there is a bit of concern with the 2014 F-150 given the vehicles many uses. I can see this being true in the cities, but it is also sold to a lot of contractors who take it to job sites. The Super Duty (F-450) is actually something to buy if you have a specialized need.

Isn't that the point of Job's statement? The F-150 workhorse is to the traditional computer as a Dodge Dart is to the iPhone / iPad. It also seems to be true that many people who own these trucks have no use for them. I wish I had a picture of my high schools parking lot.

I think it is the point, some people still need all the power.

I guess some people like trucks or think they are fashion statements, but the sales figures don't get that high without the large number of people and companies buying them for professional reasons.

Re: As the Mac Turns 30, Apple Ponders ‘Post-PC’ Era

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Post by ItendToDisagree »

pooriaazimi wrote: post #47
ItendToDisagree wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone has to be the 'professional' for someone else to be the 'hipster'. Comparison is important to Apple's brand. Unless I was reading those John Hodgeman commercials all wrong.

Please don't dignify trolls with an answer. Just downvote them and move on.

But... but... funnies!
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