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Re: CNN website hacked: "China dumps all bonds"

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I wouldn't trust anything on Anadolu Agency which is owned by the current religious fascist Turkish government which is against Syria ONLY because they are from different Islamic fraction. The government wants to see religious fascists in power in Syria. Those things in the pictures were probably done by the barbaric islamic fundamentalist rebels. Most Turkish people are against the government's senseless war against…

Sure thing hoss. Here is the story[0] associated with the photos. "Syrian government officials could face war crimes charges in the light of a huge cache of evidence smuggled out of the country showing the "systematic killing" of about 11,000 detainees, according to three eminent international lawyers. The three, former prosecutors at the criminal tribunals for the former Yugoslavia and Sierra Leone, examined thousan…

Yeah something should be done, and what else is better than barbaric islamic fundamentalist rebels, beheading war criminals, and bloodshed murderers, supported by international bloodthirsty, greedy media cartels.

We should support them as they are fighting against an anti-democratic regime. We will think about the other aspects, once democracy is settled, democracy first.

Re: CNN website hacked: "China dumps all bonds"

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Still better than all the Bebier stuff that was breaking on their (US) homepage today

wow and there is basically nothing about Ukraine... this crazy!

Welcome to Zucker's quest to make CNN relevant.... which apparently means being the online version of the supermarket check out line. The FoxNews site has more important international stories than CNN, I am assuming CNN expecting readers to click the World tab.

Out front, between Drudge and Google News I get all the leads I need.

Re: CNN website hacked: "China dumps all bonds"

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure thing hoss. Here is the story[0] associated with the photos. "Syrian government officials could face war crimes charges in the light of a huge cache of evidence smuggled out of the country showing the "systematic killing" of about 11,000 detainees, according to three eminent international lawyers. The three, former prosecutors at the criminal tribunals for the former Yugoslavia and Sierra Leone, examined thousan…

Yeah something should be done, and what else is better than barbaric islamic fundamentalist rebels, beheading war criminals, and bloodshed murderers, supported by international bloodthirsty, greedy media cartels. We should support them as they are fighting against an anti-democratic regime. We will think about the other aspects, once democracy is settled, democracy first.

Way to respond with a comment that is contextual with what I said.

You really didn't conflate my detailing mass murder with support for other murderers at all there. If you did one could say it would be highly detrimental to discussion. Good thing you didn't though.

edit: I do love me tried and true tactics like what inanov and throwaway display. Anything said against a subject they feel strongly about is means to deny what is said then distort who is speaking. At the very least a lot of accusations and insinuations not relating to the original subject being discussed will be brought up adding noise to the signal. For a very topical example here is the regime's Syrian State TV split screening opposition talking at Geneva2 with stock footage of bombing carnage[0].

[0] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BekwsuACIAA2gQr.jpg:large

Re: CNN website hacked: "China dumps all bonds"

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There is a special place in hell for SEA (Syrian Electronic Army) members. In addition to hacking sites as to spew propaganda, they have been reporting nonviolent activist pages while promoting terrorist (ISIS) pages. Running a plethora of personas[0] that harass and attack while disseminating horse-shit like the Adra massacre. That Adra event saw Russia Times relaying false reports[1]. Of course phishing pretty much…

I wouldn't trust anything on Anadolu Agency which is owned by the current religious fascist Turkish government which is against Syria ONLY because they are from different Islamic fraction. The government wants to see religious fascists in power in Syria. Those things in the pictures were probably done by the barbaric islamic fundamentalist rebels. Most Turkish people are against the government's senseless war against…

For a long time, it was impossible to reach Syrian Government news agency SANA's website, as it was banned without any notice or court order.

That was when the war started, and only news Turkish people got were Turkish Government's and international war lobyyists' lies through Anadolu Agency's black propaganda.

Turkey still keeps supporting the war in Syria by sending ammunition, weapons and other stuff to rebels. Our border gates are wide open for the rebels. Some of them live in Turkey's border cities such as Hatay.

For the last few weeks there has been at least eight trucks which were intercepted. They all were later protected by turkish national intelligence agency, governors, the ministers and prime minister himself, claiming what the trucks carried were governmental secret and nobodies' business. Of course the trucks moved and people had to mind their own business.

There has been a lot of misinformation incidents in Turkey, through government's hand, and a lot of inhuman incidents by those criminal-rebel looters that we witness. Then I still sometimes get surprised when people tell about the Free Syrian Army is defending Syria against an anti-democratic regime. I don't believe that those are for democracy, and everyone knows that those lies will be revealed one day.

Re: CNN website hacked: "China dumps all bonds"

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Yes, that's how it would play out. China dumping US money, would be an actively hostile thing to do... implying they wanted to do other hostile things as well... The world would likely become a very different place, real fast.

China dumping US currency and/or bonds would be an awesome opportunity for everyone else. We could buy the wonderfully underpriced securities from China and make bank once the price pops back up a few months later. It'd basically be suicide for the seller - in this case the central bank of China.

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Re: CNN website hacked: "China dumps all bonds"

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But china isn't the only one to use usd. Them saying "i don't give usd any value" doesn't means it's going to be true. At the minimum, USA will still use that currency no matter what, along with every US companies. And since The US haven't defaulted yet on their debt, US bonds will still have at least some justifiable value.

If China dumped bonds, why would anyone buy debt from the USG when they can get it cheap on the open market that has just had 1 trillion dumped in it. The fed steps in, mops up all excess demand so Uncle Sam can keep on spending beyond its tax revenue. Very quickly, no one is going to accept USD in trade as the value plummets. The USD being world reserve currency has been printed far beyond the needs for internal dom…

My point was exactly what your last sentence said : they are already printing so much money and it doesn't provide inflation. Your point i guess is that china has 1 trillion in USD, which is such a huge amount that emitting this on the market will create inflation.

I just checked the numbers, and in 2011 the second quantitative easing (aka "printing money") was 600 billions, and the third is 40 billions every month. And it doesn't have any impact on inflation (which remains a bit of a mystery to me, unless this money is instantly used by the banks just to balance banks internal debts and taken out of the economy).

Re: CNN website hacked: "China dumps all bonds"

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah something should be done, and what else is better than barbaric islamic fundamentalist rebels, beheading war criminals, and bloodshed murderers, supported by international bloodthirsty, greedy media cartels. We should support them as they are fighting against an anti-democratic regime. We will think about the other aspects, once democracy is settled, democracy first.

Way to respond with a comment that is contextual with what I said. You really didn't conflate my detailing mass murder with support for other murderers at all there. If you did one could say it would be highly detrimental to discussion. Good thing you didn't though. edit: I do love me tried and true tactics like what inanov and throwaway display. Anything said against a subject they feel strongly about is means to de…

In turkey, current government divides people into two groups (done through media, NGO's etc.): Pro-Assad, and Anti-Assad. Even though you do not fancy the guy, one morning when you wake up, you find yourself a Pro-Assad.

Even though you scream out that you are against war, and any crimes by persons or governments should be judged by an independent court, and war is not a solution, you still are a Pro-Assad. After sometime, I found out that this is not a local situation, this applies to the whole world. I know that once these are over, no war crimes will be punished, they will be loosely covered.

I remember when turkish prime minister visited Assad, handshakes, good wills. A few months later, you see that this same prime minister, just in a moment, starts to tell exact same words with some other governments which are very impatient to start a war (as if they were reading from a paper).

I know that no government is clean, they all have hands in blood, blood of a minority, another country or nation etc. Assad is not an exception but I believe that the other side of this war is not clean either. After seeing a lot of lies being told by the Turkish government and the media, I am more sure that this is not a fair fight, and this is not about Assad torturing the Syrian citizens. And I know that supporting bloodshed beheading islamic fundamentalist murderers is far from willing goodness of Syrian people.

Re: CNN website hacked: "China dumps all bonds"

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah something should be done, and what else is better than barbaric islamic fundamentalist rebels, beheading war criminals, and bloodshed murderers, supported by international bloodthirsty, greedy media cartels. We should support them as they are fighting against an anti-democratic regime. We will think about the other aspects, once democracy is settled, democracy first.

Way to respond with a comment that is contextual with what I said. You really didn't conflate my detailing mass murder with support for other murderers at all there. If you did one could say it would be highly detrimental to discussion. Good thing you didn't though. edit: I do love me tried and true tactics like what inanov and throwaway display. Anything said against a subject they feel strongly about is means to de…

>> For a very topical example here is the regime's Syrian State TV split screening opposition talking at Geneva2 with stock footage of bombing carnage[0].

Then, you should come and see the major turkish media. I will gladly translate every single word for you.

Re: CNN website hacked: "China dumps all bonds"

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China dumps all bonds. US declares return to gold standards. Chinese economy crashes. World experiences significant economic downturn but soon recovers.

No offense, but China has been getting tons of gold on its balance sheet for awhile now. USA wont even let Germany have theirs for 8 years, as it'll take that long to get it... which means I question the reserve amounts the US has...

Re: CNN website hacked: "China dumps all bonds"

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Is it me or would "china dumping us bonds" have absolutely no effect since the Federal reserve is already the only one buying us bonds in massive quantities ?

Well, a lot of banks, insurance companies, trust funds, mutual funds, pension funds, social security funds, other countries and individuals own US treasury bonds.

China's holdings are significant - over $1.3tn or around 7.5% of all US government debt. If they were to dump all of it onto the market at once (a crazy idea which they would never do), the simple excess of supply over demand would cause Treasury prices to plunge and the USD would likely drop in the foreign exchange markets too.

As soon as someone at one of the big US investment banks realised what was going on, phone calls would start being made to wake people up in London and then New York (this assumes that the sell-off starts during Asian trading hours) and eventually someone would wake up Bill Dudley (head of the New York Fed). He, in turn, would wake up Bernanke and Lew, who would call the President (who'd probably already have been woken up by the IC/military).

By that point, the markets would be in turmoil. The combination of the sell-off with a big military move (i.e. declaring the South China Sea a closed zone) is interesting, because an increased likelihood of military conflict typically causes investors to sell riskier assets and buy less risky ones, like US Treasury bonds. So, stock markets would drop across the world - I'd say at least 3%, probably more like 5%. Buying gold and oil is like a bit of a kneejerk reaction in times of geopolitical turmoil, so those would probably rise.

I doubt the increased demand from investors for Treasuries would be enough to absorb $1.3tn worth of bonds so Treasury prices would be dropping through the floor. That introduces a new dynamic because Treasuries are commonly used as trading collateral, so you'd start seeing margin calls, just like we did during the credit crunch (which is what caused Lehman Brothers to collapse).

So, Dudley would almost certainly act to stabilise the market by instructing the Fed's trading desk to start buying Treasuries. I don't know what the practicalities are of the Fed buying $1.3tn at short notice (e.g. whether they can simply create that many dollars out of thin air and credit them to their counterparties' accounts) but, assuming they could, that would support the price of US Treasuries although yields would probably still end up jumping by at least 100 basis points, and the USD would probably drop significantly against the Euro.

So, all in all, I'd be inclined to disagree with the idea that China dumping US bonds would have absolutely no effect. :-)

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