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Poll: Do you smoke marijuana?

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#41

nope on dope. especially for start ups and entreprenures Do you think the Google guys were taking bong breaks between writing code? My opinion is hacking + business needs a mind as sharp as a samurai sword

Bill Gates and Steve Jobs both dropped acid. I'd bet they both did weed, too. The magic secret of entrepreneurship is that the people with big ideas and strong work ethics know who they are already, and them doing drugs doesn't stop them from being themselves. Similarly, avoiding drugs doesn't instantly give you power.

Evidence for the biographical statement in your post?

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#44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bill Gates and Steve Jobs both dropped acid. I'd bet they both did weed, too. The magic secret of entrepreneurship is that the people with big ideas and strong work ethics know who they are already, and them doing drugs doesn't stop them from being themselves. Similarly, avoiding drugs doesn't instantly give you power.

Evidence for the biographical statement in your post?

http://beginnersinvest.about.com/od/billgates/l/blbillgatesi...

PLAYBOY: Ever take LSD?

GATES: My errant youth ended a long time ago.

PLAYBOY: What does that mean?

GATES: That means there were things I did under the age of 25 that I ended up not doing subsequently.

PLAYBOY: One LSD story involved you staring at a table and thinking the corner was going to plunge into your eye.

GATES: [Smiles]

PLAYBOY: Ah, a glimmer of recognition.

GATES: That was on the other side of that boundary. The young mind can deal with certain kinds of gooping around that I don't think at this age I could. I don't think you're as capable of handling lack of sleep or whatever challenges you throw at your body as you get older. However, I never missed a day of work.

Hopefully I don't have to provide evidence of Steve Jobs's drug-using past, since that's a famous part of hacker history. The Gates admission surprised me, though: I just discovered it a few days ago from the Hacker News post about Jobs's relationship with Timothy Leary.

Re: Poll: Do you smoke marijuana?

#45

nope on dope. especially for start ups and entreprenures Do you think the Google guys were taking bong breaks between writing code? My opinion is hacking + business needs a mind as sharp as a samurai sword

Bill Gates and Steve Jobs both dropped acid. I'd bet they both did weed, too. The magic secret of entrepreneurship is that the people with big ideas and strong work ethics know who they are already, and them doing drugs doesn't stop them from being themselves. Similarly, avoiding drugs doesn't instantly give you power.

It would stop them from existing if they overdose or have a bad trip and don't come back.

Re: Poll: Do you smoke marijuana?

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bill Gates and Steve Jobs both dropped acid. I'd bet they both did weed, too. The magic secret of entrepreneurship is that the people with big ideas and strong work ethics know who they are already, and them doing drugs doesn't stop them from being themselves. Similarly, avoiding drugs doesn't instantly give you power.

It would stop them from existing if they overdose or have a bad trip and don't come back.

That's a ridiculous counterargument. I drive, though an accident might kill me. I work out, despite the off-chance of a work-related heart attack.

There are no overdose-related deaths in the history of marijuana. Ever. You could smoke your weight in weed and not die. Similarly, nobody's ever died from LSD (I can't think of another drug whose usage leads to "trips"), and I can't recall ever reading of a bad trip from which you "don't come back".

Re: Poll: Do you smoke marijuana?

#47
post #17

I find marijuana is a great tool for brainstorming if used in moderation but I advise people keep it away from their actual work process. It's good to approach it like having a beer to relax after a hard day.

I think too many people often confuse creativity with a controlled state of madness.

Just this morning, I found myself singing "Alouette" while dancing the robot after I just got out of the shower (true story) with no explainable reason why I was doing it... I just was.

Shortly after, I thought I was just being creative. Now I'm currently questioning my sanity.

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#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would stop them from existing if they overdose or have a bad trip and don't come back.

That's a ridiculous counterargument. I drive, though an accident might kill me. I work out, despite the off-chance of a work-related heart attack. There are no overdose-related deaths in the history of marijuana. Ever . You could smoke your weight in weed and not die. Similarly, nobody's ever died from LSD (I can't think of another drug whose usage leads to "trips"), and I can't recall ever reading of a bad trip from…

You spoke of LSD in the GP and that is what I am speaking of. Of course there are no stories of overdoses of marijuana, but that's a straw man because, again, you spoke of lsd.

Did it ever occur to you that those who trip and dont come back can't tell you what they did because they're gone? A large number of mentally destablized homeless in the San Fran area from the Haight-Ashbury era seem to suggest that there are serious long-term effects with the ingestion of LSD.

Re: Poll: Do you smoke marijuana?

#49
post #11

Remember, just because people who advocate keeping marijuana illegal are horrible human beings, doesn't change the fact that marijuana is a psychoactive drug and we don't really understand the human brain all that well. My own brain is idiosyncratic and doesn't always react as expected (e.g. to caffeine) and I've heard friends say that they think that taking marijuana during college might have permanently dulled the…

Elizer, I'm going to respond to you not because I disagree with what you said, but because you stated concisely the view that's opposite the one I hold, and I figure it might be neat to provide the foil view. I don't hold my mind's current state sacrosanct. That is to say, I respect my mind incredibly, but I don't have any belief that says my mind was built the way it was for a reason, or that there's something wrong…

I did a heck of a lot of research before I tried drugs at age 19, and then had a lot of fun on drugs for a few years before giving it all up entirely. My main issue with most drugs is that you can get most of the positive effects of the less addictive drugs with training, without the nasty side effects. My favorite was hashish, which I found cleaner and more clear thinking than marijuana, though it's less readily available in America. I did most of my using in Amsterdam.

The exception is probably hallucinogens, which offer some interesting experiences that are probably hard to get elsewhere, and there's some that are largely harmless. I'd advise anyone to be really, really careful about the drugs that are both chemically addictive and tolerance building. Chemically addictive means withdrawal symptoms if you're not using, tolerance building means you need progressively more not to get to the same point. Nicotine, actually, probably gives you the least bang for your buck with a pretty brutal chem addictive/tolerance building mix. Anything that does similar you need to be wary about.

As for the most commonly used things - alcohol and THC (marijuana, hash) - you really, really can get the lower inhibitions, relaxation, creativity, etc. with some mental training. Quitting alcohol was surprisingly easy for me because eventually, I was doing much worse socially on it than without it. When you're comfortable saying and doing what you think sober, alcohol just messes up your reaction times and coordination and makes you fat and sick. The hardest part about quitting was the social aspect, but after about six months when people got the message that I was really done, that fell off too. I always tell everyone drink around me, use, whatever you please, but it's surprising how many of my friends who go out with me eventually quit. It's like a hell of a lot people drink because they're expected to more than because they actually like the effects.

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#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a ridiculous counterargument. I drive, though an accident might kill me. I work out, despite the off-chance of a work-related heart attack. There are no overdose-related deaths in the history of marijuana. Ever . You could smoke your weight in weed and not die. Similarly, nobody's ever died from LSD (I can't think of another drug whose usage leads to "trips"), and I can't recall ever reading of a bad trip from…

You spoke of LSD in the GP and that is what I am speaking of. Of course there are no stories of overdoses of marijuana, but that's a straw man because, again, you spoke of lsd. Did it ever occur to you that those who trip and dont come back can't tell you what they did because they're gone ? A large number of mentally destablized homeless in the San Fran area from the Haight-Ashbury era seem to suggest that there are…

I spoke of LSD with the implication that LSD is much worse than marijuana in terms of lasting effects (flashbacks in this case). I used it only to provide some frame of reference in the real argument, which is over marijuana. You went after my mentioning LSD despite weed being the topic here. That's a straw man, if you care about being syntactically correct.

Find me the story of somebody who was "lost" in LSD and I'll respond to it. Right now you're spreading FUD. There is proof of LSD flashback. There is no proof of people getting "lost" in trips. There certainly is proof of LSD aggravating people with mental instability, but instability exists without drugs.

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