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Re: Ask HN: Help. I need to go away from here

#92
Its okay. You've hit a wall. We all do. Proof: medium.com/p/7be937d26bb4

I started talking to people. I started using twitter and IRC and telling people I have no idea about what to do but I want to do a lot. Who would care really, right?

Wrong. Open source is not just code put there on Github for everyone to see.

Open source is a philosophy & community. In particular for me, the Python community stepped up big time.

Bad college? Come to India, we have factories which churn out hundreds and thousands of 'engineers' every year.

Its been 6 months since the post. I'm no awesome programmer, but I can find my way around. I can read 2 Scoops of Django and Pro Django and I'm starting to understand what they're saying. I can code in Python fluently. Good/bad, all subjective. I can build things and I'm happy.

Its not a one time thing. I'm on IRC a few times a week on the Django, scikit-learn and now AngularJS community. I've spoken to crazy programmers and padawans just like you and me.

Get out there, not here. Spend time building.

PS - I'm self taught in machine learning which I was recently making a living off of. On sabbatical now and programming web and mobile when I'm not studying my ML stuff. Re-read, self taught. Its possible! :)

PS 2 - I don't like Java either. But the people I'm collaborating with for ML projects, despite my Python ML experience, want Java. So what do I do? I'm learning AngularJS right now, how do I pick up Java 7/8 after last touching Java 5 in '10 as a student in above mentioned factory? I pick up a book, an open source project and the docs. I learn. Build. And break. It happens.

PS 3 - I'm working on Django REST and AngularJS integration. Thought it would be straightforward, maybe it is, wasn't for me. Let's not fret. Get on IRC, a book, Github open source and play!

-- Cheers from someone who gets ya. I emphasise, I would be nowhere without the people of the community who have taken out time to show me the way.

I'm on twitter, same handle and my email is in my profile. I'm no genius, just a 25yo who knows I haven't seen anything in life yet and am no longer scared of boxes/walls (not that they're easy to overcome, I just don't fret anymore).

Re: Ask HN: Help. I need to go away from here

#93
I'm from France, now based in San Francisco, and the situation in France is similar to the one in Italy; some interesting startups, but you have to "know someone" to get in, and a generally conservative culture that appreciates to compare present to the past, rather than project to the future.

What I can tell you now that I've done what you dream to do: - You're not as stuck as you think you are (even without a visa). The startup scenes are more progressive in London, Berlin or Amsterdam, although not quite as much as in the SF Bay, of course. If I lost my right to be in the US, I would be amazingly disappointed, but I would simply go to one of these cities, and stop worrying about my country being far behind. I only realized this once my plan to get here was on track, so I stayed in Paris far too long, I'm afraid, but you don't have to make that mistake. - You have a decision to make about effort. Legally moving to SF with a job and legally moving to London with a job are both possible things, they just take a different amount of effort. For London, you'll have to make a little money first to make sure you can go from time to time to look for your next life, and to make the big move when the time comes. For the US, you'll have to make far more money first, come here 3 revenue-less months to look for a job, limit yourself to large companies (those that mind visas issues less), be overly patient with people who don't mind abusing your weakness, ... It took me 5 years to make it with this project, and I'm still one of the lucky ones; but I was willing to take a chance, and to keep fighting through the effort. - There's another road that is made possible by the European crisis; it's riskier, but faster: create your own startup. Work a Java dev job at the same time, but find an awesome startup idea, and work on it on your free time. Find time (and money) to come meet investors in SF (save money and time, and make sure you'll have interviews before coming). Investors in the US know that there are no serious investors in France or Italy these days, so they love to meet European entrepreneurs with nice startups, who are willing to move to SF. Once you're well-funded, getting a visa gets much easier.

Get in touch with me if you need help with anything else.

Re: Ask HN: Help. I need to go away from here

#95
post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great to see another Sheffield-based software engineer on HN!

Do you go to any of the tech events in Sheffield? I co-organise ShefPHP and sometimes go to some of the others.

Actually no, I'm painfully unaware of these things! I usually go to Dorkbot when it's on. One of my colleagues goes to the testing meetup in the Rutland. What are some other good ones?

Re: Ask HN: Help. I need to go away from here

#96

Come to Denmark. We need more programmers, and as a EU citizen you have the right to work here. Everyone speaks English here. http://www.it-jobbank.dk//?lang=en

Perhaps equally importantly as people speaking English, it's also culturally the norm to speak English (and hire English-speakers) in corporate settings, especially tech companies. Pretty much to the point where speaking Danish doesn't even give an advantage (unless it's some kind of domestic-customer-facing position). So yeah, I'd give it a try. There are also many English-language university programs.

Re: Ask HN: Help. I need to go away from here

#97
As other have already said, this is not a real problem.So calm down.

Just keep pushing for what you want, whatever it takes, keep pushing.

When I was 15, I was working on a supermarket in Buenos Aires, Argentina in one of the worst and most violent neighbourhoods. I worked there until I was 20. I had a very hard time going from college to work every day, and then to work even more hours and going at night to the university. Working on computers was what I loved and it was impossible there and I felt exactly like you, or worse, with a very deep depression. Fortunately, my parents are Italian and I have an Italian passport, so I moved to Spain (I don't speak much italian) with 2000 euros in my pocket and without any friend/family there. I was 21 Years old and left behind everything I had. After 6 months in Madrid I had new and good friends, a job in at an internet company that I liked a lot, rented my own flat, approved the exams for the university, and a even had girlfriend I still have today.

I used to go to the university during the day, then to sleep 6 horus then and work from 23pm to 7am every day. Now I'm 31 years old, I live in London, work for one of the most important tech companies in the world, earn a lot of money and I don't even put an alarm clock in the morning.I've been very lucky so far too.

Every year I go back to see my family and friends in Buenos Aires. I miss them a LOT. But heck, that's sacrifice you have to do and every time I go there I'm even more proud of the choices I did, the most important ones of my life and I think I did the best thing I could have done.

How much do you want it? Keep pushing until you get what you want.

Re: Ask HN: Help. I need to go away from here

#98
post #86

Well, first of all: i'm excited to see so many italians over here. We are a quiet but strong community :) As most of the people already said: i feel your pain. There are MANY good advices on here and others have already highlighted most of the options you have. I passed (actually, not yet completely) thru a similar situation. When i was your age, i was completely crushed and just said "fuck you" to everything and lef…

Hi, I am not the author of the post but I feel in the exact same situation of him (her ???), I am a little younger though. I am just moved in Milan, and I was wonder what amazing programmers you were talking about... sisciapub(at)gmail.com Also I will add that the Appsterdam group here in Milan looks great :)

Thank siscia, I'm one of the organizer of Appsterdam here in Milan :)

watermel0n I don't know if you study in Milan, but if you come to one of our meetups, you will find many reasons to stay in Italy or to better prepare you for setting up abroad. With graduation and European citizenship you are not trapped, you can go wherever you want! ;)

Search Appsterdam Milan ;)

Ciao!

Re: Ask HN: Help. I need to go away from here

#100

Well, first of all: i'm excited to see so many italians over here. We are a quiet but strong community :) As most of the people already said: i feel your pain. There are MANY good advices on here and others have already highlighted most of the options you have. I passed (actually, not yet completely) thru a similar situation. When i was your age, i was completely crushed and just said "fuck you" to everything and lef…

I totally agree with jnardiello.

I've had enough with people complaining about their own situation. The best way to change how you feel is to change how you think about what's bothering you.

As a developer I'll apply the "divide et impera" technique. In this case I see two options:

1. Leave Italy ASAP. Choose a country you feel comfortable with and -just- GO. Netherlands, UK, Germany are good options; but I've some friends of mine who left Italy for Spain, and they're in love with that country in spite of its financial situation. It's up to you.

2. Start something. Start studying on your own, for example; University is important, but your preparation would not be complete. Take online courses, coursera.org offers ~600 courses, most of them are free. Write your own code and start working as consultant even while studying; it's feasible, and it will give you experience. Attend events! You'll have the chance to meet other great developers.

But in both cases please stop being "italian" and start being Italian. Loook forward :)

PS: join us @ Appsterdam Milan, we'll be happy to give you some good advices to start from.

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