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How I “hacked” Kayak and booked a cheaper flight

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Re: How I “hacked” Kayak and booked a cheaper flight

#21
Looks like the cheap flights were on WN (Southwest) and the expensive flights were on DL (Delta).

I just did an example flight search to fly later this week (Jan 24-30 round trip) from SLC to OAK, a route that both DL and WN fly direct. Kayak shows me fares from $492 on US and B6 changing planes in Phoenix or Long Beach (doubling distance and quintupling flight time) and direct flights from $532 on DL.

Kayak doesn't show me any WN prices in the USA, but might have some sort of pilot program or contract to show them outside the USA. Iflyswa.com shows direct flights from $526.

Meanwhile ITA Matrix (matrix.itasoftware.com, made with secret alien technology [0]) shows flights on US for $318 which violate the rules for domestic connection times and cannot be booked. It's strange that those flights are shown since Matrix is usually very reliable.

Going directly to US's website reveals fares of $440 for flights with a connection in Phoenix.

So what's the lesson here? Check the WN site directly instead of depending on search sites. Check both ITA Matrix and Kayak if you're depending on search sites; they don't have the same flights listed. Sometimes you need to check individual airline websites even though it's a pain because they have better flights and prices than search sites have; there's no reliable way to know when that's the case.

[0] http://www.lisperati.com/logo.html

Re: How I “hacked” Kayak and booked a cheaper flight

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I experimented with this a few months ago using free Amazon Windows EC2 instances. The thought being that with EC2 instances I can come from far more IP end points than a specific VPN offers. What I found is many ticket/event sites ban connections from EC2 IP ranges. Sites like Kayak, TicketMaster, even Healthcare.gov drop incoming EC2 connections during the TCP handshake. I imagine this is to stop third party scrappers or ticket scalpers. I have no idea why Healthcare.gov blocks it.

Re: How I “hacked” Kayak and booked a cheaper flight

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is there front running when there are only two parties in the transaction?

Not front running the traditional sense, what I believe they are referring to is when you search for a flight, then come back and search it again and its gone up by $80 since they know you are interested in that destination but didnt book it last time.

This technique goes back long before the Internet. I recall working in a computer store where it was a standard practice to give someone a quote with an expiry date, and if they missed the time limit extra money would be tacked on with some made-up BS excuse (We sold out of Foobars and the new shipment came in at a higher price).

It was the exact same reasoning: The customer walked away, shopped around, and came back because we have everyone else beat. So now we need to raise our price as much as possible without making it worth their while to go back to someone else.

And in fact, they probably are in our place because someone else raised their price on them, or disclosed hidden gotchas, so we have leverage.

Re: How I “hacked” Kayak and booked a cheaper flight

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The price descrimination that the airlines do is so opaque and manipulative, this is exactly why one needs to be cognizant of the technicals. We are really only a single logical step removed from a pretty bad place (read: racist/sexist/elitist, etc) with this teqnique to dynamic pricing and (essentially) ... front-running.[1] For example, we can charge black people more (based on zip-code demographics) to discourage…

How is there front running when there are only two parties in the transaction?

A market maker can front-run you with 3rd party inventory (just like Kayak).

Re: How I “hacked” Kayak and booked a cheaper flight

#28
I've been doing this for years. After I noticed most places are cheap to get to but flights are expensive back. I noticed the same business model was in place from the other direction. So just fake the country of origin and you get cheap to and back.

The other one is clear your cookies before booking. Places create fake demand by disappearing the cheap flights on you if you shopping around. If you clear your cookies the cheap flights will return.

Re: How I “hacked” Kayak and booked a cheaper flight

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post #24
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is there front running when there are only two parties in the transaction?

A market maker can front-run you with 3rd party inventory (just like Kayak).

Huh. I didn't know Kayak dealt with 3rd party inventory. Interesting.

Re: How I “hacked” Kayak and booked a cheaper flight

#30
Like someone else said, it’s because it’s a Southwest flight… Southwest isn't shown on the results of the big airfare search engines (kayak, expedia, orbitz) when searching from the United States because it refuses to pay those websites' fees.

Looks like you’ve found out that they are shown on Canada based version of the Kayak site. Most likely because the fee arrangements are different or because Southwest is willing to pay them, probably to get exposure to markets that wouldn't otherwise know about them because they don't have a marketing presence there.

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