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Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley

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Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley

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Post by doctorwho »

cafard wrote: post #234
doctorwho wrote: post #12

Where were these uber-concerned citizens while George Bush was raping the US and Iraq? Why are they not protesting at the White House or stopping NSA employees from getting to work? But yeah, trample the rights of individual people, that will help. It's easy (and a lot less dangerous) to hate and pester a guy who makes more money than you. Forget about who's ruining the country and focus on the guy you think is respo…

"Where were these uber-concerned citizens while George Bush was raping the US and Iraq?" Probably protesting, just not in front of two-story palaces. "Why are they not protesting at the White House" Probably they are from time to time, or anyway in front of federal buildings. "or stopping NSA employees from getting to work?" I don't know--maybe because they'd have to move to Maryland? [Edit: Just to clarify, I do thi…

It's a very first world "not in my backyard" movement. Righteous indignation about someone with more money encroaching on "their place" in the universe. Get used to it little hipsters, you're not the first it's ever happened to and you won't be the last.

Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley

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Post by aaronem »

nollidge wrote: post #240
aaronem wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you by chance familiar with the axiom that, given an audience without any other information about the parties or principles involved in a given argument, the side which presents its claims in a calm, level-headed fashion is more likely to be taken seriously than the side that's red-faced and flinging spittle? I can't imagine what's brought that so strongly to mind just now, but I figured I'd mention it all the sa…

That's not an axiom, it's just an opinion. Personally, I find passion pretty compelling to read/hear, and I won't present my side with a false posture of academic distance if that's not how I feel. Additionally, I'm not really interested in winning over the people who are more concerned with the tone of an argument than the actual facts presented.

Well, exhorting the choir is very satisfying, of course, and I can see the tactical benefit in so doing to the exclusion of any attempt to increase the size of the congregation. This does, of course, imply an abandonment of any desire to find a modus vivendi, but the impression I have is that such abandonment is more or less implicit.

Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley

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Post by doctorwho »

Google employees will now organize to lobby to bring a "stand your ground" law in California. When that happens we'll see how many hipsters feel like threatening someone who can afford a semi-automatic weapon and has the skills to rig it up to a quad-copter, or their home security system.

Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley

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Post by kondor6c »

diydsp wrote: post #244
kondor6c wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their employees? Certainly in all of my employment history I have never had a vote or serious decision in the direction of the company, that even goes for a non-profit school I worked for. Targeting employees is, at best, a bad idea. Who is to say that this guy didn't support them? Or others support their cause? Now they appear like kids that don't have jobs or that can otherwise afford to picket someone's house duri…

They may appear like that, but they reportedly began the protest at 7am (first sentence of the article!), not during normal work hours.

Well it takes time to get to work. I wake up early to let my dogs outside and get ready I have to leave by 7:15am. I don't know, maybe it's just me.

Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley

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Post by nostrademons »

tomp wrote: post #163
nollidge wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one deserves to feel unsafe, especially in their own home. Just because they haven't literally harmed his person doesn't mean that they're acting morally.

That's not a particularly good argument, because one of the main point of people protesting the NSA surveillance (which Google is a part of) is that it makes them feel unsafe. It's all a matter of perspective.

You understand that Google is protesting the NSA surveillance?

http://www.mediaite.com/online/read-the-8-biggest-tech-compa...

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2013/06/what.html

http://www.zdnet.com/google-engineers-rage-at-nsa-7000022874...

http://blogs.computerworld.com/cybercrime-and-hacking/23090/...

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/google...

Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley

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Post by dubfan »

jpadkins wrote: post #238

Ironically, these anti-Google bay area protesters are starting to sound a lot like conservative anti-immigration talking points. * We don't want your kind in our neighborhood. * We don't want our culture changed. * Your mere presence is ruining our life. * You are different than us, therefor unwelcome here. I thought Berkeley was the peaceful co-existence crowd?

The political spectrum wraps around and converges at the extremes. I'm reminded of the controversy in Portland around water fluoridation. Many of the ostensibly left-wing opponents of fluoridation, when presented with the argument that poor people without access to dental services would suffer without water fluoridation, rebutted this by essentially saying that poor people don't deserve to have healthy teeth anyway.

Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley

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Post by [deleted] »

andrewfong wrote: post #143

This flyer is just plain nuts. Some choice quotes: "The self-driven car has been another pet project of the DARPA for many years. It sponsored a recurring Grand Challenge for people designing self-driving vehicles, hoping someone would crack open the new technology. Anthony Levandowski was one of the wonder kids who flocked to these competitions, looking for a federal handout and fame. Now, with Google handing him mo…

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Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley

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Post by Torgo »

walshemj wrote: post #123
mgunes wrote: post #91

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No, there aren't "people"; there is "a person", me. Just one person. Everyone else is speculating on how the poor little "Googler"'s life is destroyed by a naive peaceful protest, derailing the issue with anti-left wing jokes, suggesting that "Googlers" carry weapons, and so on. HN at its best: when its ideological toe is stepped on. popcorn

And if I as a "techie" feel threatened an oppressed by those individuals I am. I am in no way a right winger I was coming at it form the same direction that those who fought in cable street did. "An injury to one is an injury to all"

That kind of egalitarian viewpoint is alien to these protesters. They are entitled to attack this individual because he is powerful and wrong, and they are powerless and right. You're thinking "no punching" and they're thinking "punch up, not down."

Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley

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Post by g333k »

diydsp wrote: post #237
DannoHung wrote: post #169

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Maybe if this was a protest of a Boston Dynamics employee in Massachusetts, but this guy apparently works for Google X. So... self driving cars and diabetes contact lenses?

Cherry picking. The list of Google X projects is largely secret. There are reportedly 98 more. [1] [1] http://9to5google.com/2011/11/14/sergey-brin-is-working-on-a...

And we have no actual reason to believe Anthony is working on military robots.

Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley

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Post by nostrademons »

cpncrunch wrote: post #239

Here is the person who is organizing the bus protests. I'm not sure if she was involved in this particular demonstration: http://www.erinmcelroy.net/resume.html

That's just as bad as the protesters who show on the doorstep of a Google engineer. Attack the action and not the person. In this case you don't even know if that person is the one involved in this action.
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