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Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley

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Post by FireBeyond »

anExcitedBeast wrote: post #97
shoeless wrote: post #45

How is protesting in a residential neighborhood allowed? Did this group have a permit? Is the SF Bay area different in this regard - no permit allowed?

"Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble...."

If you tell someone and their family that you are going to stop them from leaving their home, and there is a not unreasonable expectation of assault and or battery in that, you are going beyond the right of peaceable assembly and into the realm of false imprisonment, or kidnap.

Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley

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Post by pnathan »

aaronem wrote: post #204
nollidge wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why is it that you think because someone has a gun they are incapable of acting rationally? Because they're a real live human fucking being with anger and emotion and desperation and base needs and selfish wants, not a theoretical hyper-rational philosophical strawperson. Real live human beings are pretty classically incapable of acting rationally, and if you think otherwise, I would suggest that you have only very…

Are you by chance familiar with the axiom that, given an audience without any other information about the parties or principles involved in a given argument, the side which presents its claims in a calm, level-headed fashion is more likely to be taken seriously than the side that's red-faced and flinging spittle? I can't imagine what's brought that so strongly to mind just now, but I figured I'd mention it all the sa…

FYI, there is a certain branch of thought that believes that passion and anger increase validity of argument.

Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley

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Post by walshemj »

diydsp wrote: post #242
walshemj wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but Google did not turn up mob handed an picket you house and make threats about you and your family did it.

> threats Can you please tell me where they threatened? I'm curious to know if they overstepped the boundaries of peaceful protest.

err do I need to "tell" you that being blockaded into my home and having flyers with threatening language abut me handed to my neighbors woudl make me feel threatened - it's perception that matters here.

Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley

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Post by npsimons »

aaronem wrote: post #221
baconner wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They haven't really hurt anybody physically this time would be a more accurate way to put it. Its hard to imagine that he and his family aren't going to be up late nights worrying about what comes next. I'm truly stunned to see folks on hn defending this behavior.

I wish I were. They agree with the protesters, don't you see? And, because they feel themselves to be on the "right side of history", whatever that means, they are utterly innocent of fear that they should ever themselves awaken to find a shouting mob on their doorstep. Of course, they're also utterly ignorant of history, or they'd know what happens, in a revolution, to people who consider themselves on the "right si…

They agree with the protesters, don't you see? And, because they feel themselves to be on the "right side of history", whatever that means,

This sounds so familiar, where have I heard it before? Seems to have a lot in common with the anti-abortionists who bomb clinics and kill doctors . . .

Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley

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Post by walshemj »

aaronem wrote: post #195
walshemj wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so Googlers should take things into their own hands and take "action direct" against those harassing them.

Are you seriously suggesting, Citizen, that the same standard applies both to the oppressor and the oppressed? Have a care, Citizen; such regressionist attitudes court accusations of reactionism.

Of course not as a professional any excesses are just officer class high jinks - nothing to see hear run along like a good chap won't you

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Post by nollidge »

aaronem wrote: post #189
nollidge wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why do you assume a gun would be randomly taken out in a tense confrontation? Why the hell wouldn't it be? Because everybody's always super calm and patient in such situations?

Don't you imagine it is easier to keep a level head in a confrontation when you are confident of your ability to defend your person, should it become necessary to do so?

> when you are confident of your ability to defend your person

No, because this requires clairvoyance I don't possess in order to know the other guy doesn't also have a gun.

I mean, I'd also be pretty level-headed if I knew I could explode people's heads instantly with my mind, but we don't live in that sort of universe.

Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley

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Post by bovermyer »

diydsp wrote: post #255
bovermyer wrote: post #3

Meanwhile, Kiev is under siege by a REAL threat, and children in Africa are starving. Every single one of these "demonstrators" seeking to prevent people from working, harassing them, and destroying their personal property needs to seriously rethink their priorities in life.

Your statement is the definition of the red herring logical fallacy: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=fallacies+starving+africa

Fair enough. Would it be better to say, then, that these demonstrators are just misanthropic?

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Post by bovermyer »

mgunes wrote: post #154
walshemj wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if I as a "techie" feel threatened an oppressed by those individuals I am. I am in no way a right winger I was coming at it form the same direction that those who fought in cable street did. "An injury to one is an injury to all"

"Threatened" and "oppressed", by non-violent assembly and protest? Come on.

So if I hang out in your front lawn and prevent you from leaving your house (in a non-violent manner) with a bunch of my friends, does that make me non-threatening and non-oppressive?

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Post by moocowduckquack »

stygiansonic wrote: post #220

By their messed-up logic (I can't tell whether this is parody or not), their use of jQuery on their website would put them among the military-industrial-surveillance supporters since they are lending their implicit backing to a project/library that the NSA uses on their website.

I think the dependency irony starts hitting much further up the stack than the jquery library on the website, given the nature of a website on the public internet.

Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley

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Post by aaronem »

pnathan wrote: post #262
aaronem wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you by chance familiar with the axiom that, given an audience without any other information about the parties or principles involved in a given argument, the side which presents its claims in a calm, level-headed fashion is more likely to be taken seriously than the side that's red-faced and flinging spittle? I can't imagine what's brought that so strongly to mind just now, but I figured I'd mention it all the sa…

FYI, there is a certain branch of thought that believes that passion and anger increase validity of argument.

I'm a former partisan of that sort of thinking, so I'm well aware of it -- from the inside, as it were. The trouble with it is that it only works on people who already substantially agree with you. When you're talking to people who don't, at best it does nothing, and at worst it actively impairs your efforts.

Failure to acknowledge this fact is taken as a sign of commitment, I think, in certain quarters, but I've lately come to hold the opinion that such failure evinces a certain basic lack of empathy which augurs ill for the ability of the person so failing to make an argument capable of convincing someone not already in agreement with him.

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