Is this serious or supposed to be satire or something? Cause it reads like something a deranged person would write to me... Making comments about how Google employees automatically bring police, "All of Google's employees should be prevented from getting to work", etc. Yeah they do bring police.. to deal with nutjobs that decide to randomly show up at their houses and stop them from working, stop a bus in the middle…
I think these people don't understand the irony of their claims about google employees bringing police to their neighbourhoods.
Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley
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Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley
#202Absolutely horrifying. More so because there are actually people here in this thread defending the crazy person who's trying to destroy somebody's life because they don't like the company he works for.
The point of the protest isn't to destroy a person's life, the point of the protest is to (1) make Google's employees reluctant to continue being Google's employees and as a result (2) make Google rethink their official and unofficial policies, in order to (3) make the world a better place. AFAIK, they haven't really hurt anybody (this time). They are just pressing the points that (they think will) hurt the most.
Are you really defending this shit?
Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley
#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's ridiculous is, they do it to themselves. If they just used their votes to get a zoning board and laws that let people build housing there wouldn't be this problem. 64% of people in SF rent. If you want lower rents, stop trying to make the city look the same in 2014 as it did in 1964.
I've noticed the same people that are crying about the gentrification are the same people crying about the new buildings killing the culture of the city. It seems like they just want to kick all the new people out and just keep the status quo.
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why is it that you think because someone has a gun they are incapable of acting rationally? If I were in the above situation I would not draw my gun with out feeling that there was a real threat to my life or property. And in that case I would rather have a gun than not have a gun.
> Why is it that you think because someone has a gun they are incapable of acting rationally? Because they're a real live human fucking being with anger and emotion and desperation and base needs and selfish wants, not a theoretical hyper-rational philosophical strawperson. Real live human beings are pretty classically incapable of acting rationally, and if you think otherwise, I would suggest that you have only very…
I can't imagine what's brought that so strongly to mind just now, but I figured I'd mention it all the same. Make of it what you like.
Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley
#205I would like to know what this "privilege" is all about. I'm a tech worker who makes a very good salary. Am I privileged? I couldn't afford a fancy high end college, so I chose a cheaper one and got a loan from the Government, which I paid back in full. I studied hard in a public school and those achievements helped me get a grant to offset some cost as well. I got a job in tech support, worked my way up through the…
Strictly speaking, by the definition of privilege, they're right in that you are in a position that not all can attain in practice. Whether it's because you weren't born a crack baby, or because you weren't implicitly discriminated against obviously for some historically known reason (sex, race, handicap).
But life isn't fair, and never will. Others will argue that they will continue to level the playing field, but there will those who are still privileged and those who aren't, for things like being born better looking, or being smarter, or being at the right place or the right time.
Ultimately people chaff against the label of 'privilege' because it has such a negative connotation. And implies that life was easy for you to begin with. You weren't privileged then, but now you are as it were.
For those that call you that, most want you to have the perspective that your life is better than others and that by noblesse oblige you have a duty to the less privileged, by some moral code be it Christian, Bushido, Chivalry what have you.
Consider it a social tax on your success.
Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley
#206This is getting to be a bit absurd. I understand and can sympathize with the plight of folks who feel that they are becoming economically marginalized in the region, because in many ways it is really happening. But public badgering of mid to low-level folks is not a way to gain a lot of support. It's like damaging the lobby of a Bank of America or smashing the windows of a McDonalds -- all it does is ruin the day for…
I'd take a different angle: This is the behavior of desperate people who have lost hope that our government functions and are motivated to action. This seems like the natural conclusion of our government's inattentiveness to it's citizenry. Violence isn't far when folks have achieved this level of frustration. The last line of the link makes it clear that Google isn't going to be the only target. "All of you other te…
I just wanted to point out, it's _not just the economic marginalization_, it's the cultural mismatch that fuels so much frustration for those in the outside group.
Of course the economic stuff is easy to measure (being numbers!), but stuff like calling yourself a robot (the develop calls himself a robot in his soul), having employees wear different colored badges according to their privileges and so on are cultural differences that people don't like and feel compelled to call out.
Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley
#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why is it that you think because someone has a gun they are incapable of acting rationally? If I were in the above situation I would not draw my gun with out feeling that there was a real threat to my life or property. And in that case I would rather have a gun than not have a gun.
Recommending gun ownership in response to non-violent protest seems sub-optimal. Perhaps a gun is a useful tool in that kind of situation, but surely there's a bunch of other conflict de-escalation stuff that can be learnt first.
That said, if I am effectively trapped in my home by a currently non-violent protest which has as its manifesto the sort of manifest lunacy on display in the linked article, I am going to want to be able to defend family and self with force majeure, should matters proceed beyond noisy and foolish hot-headedness into an outright attack.
Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley
#208I would like to know what this "privilege" is all about. I'm a tech worker who makes a very good salary. Am I privileged? I couldn't afford a fancy high end college, so I chose a cheaper one and got a loan from the Government, which I paid back in full. I studied hard in a public school and those achievements helped me get a grant to offset some cost as well. I got a job in tech support, worked my way up through the…
What about the people who worked just as hard and still can't afford decent housing in the area? Just one aspect of the privilege you enjoy is the fact that one of your passions in life happened to lead to a high-paying job. I and almost everybody on this forum enjoy this same privilege. This is a particularly insidious one because it's so hard to detect in yourself and admit to. When you're the sort of person who st…
Then those people are not entitled to anything. I have no interest or passion in becoming a surgeon, and since they make so much more than me I should go start a ruckus down at the hospital, using this logic.
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#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes. But clearly you have an opposing view on the right to defend yourself with a firearm. No need to make this into a gun debate.
And yet you do exactly that.
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#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure how I feel about the protest in general, but I was reacting to the idea that they "haven't hurt anyone". As far as my system of morals is concerned, making someone feel unsafe is still hurting them.
Isn't that kind of the point of a protest? The threat of revolution?
Seriously, just look up protest in a dictionary. It's an expression, a communication. It's a chance for people to respond. It's a visible, recordable effort, as opposed to an anecdote.