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Re: “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

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Post by fencepost »

free652 wrote: post #29
route66 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> police everywhere can now just record the phone numbers I remember that the dutch police some years ago already used so called "sms-bombs" to contact mobile phone subscribers that were around a crime scene months before. It is simply inherent in the technology. You wear a mobile phone? (not even smart ) So you are traceable with all consequences. The solution? In any case not technical in nature. We will see.

Get a burner phone, even from a different country. I have a Russian and French sim cards and keep your phone off unless you really need to make a call.

Check that the phone's IMEI isn't also being associated with each of those SIM cards and your regular one.

Just switching SIM cards may change what account info you're using, while still providing plenty of information for determined investigators to use.

Re: “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

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Post by ItendToDisagree »

kybernetyk wrote: post #14

German police have been doing this for some time already with anti-nazi protesters: https://www.eff.org/issues/mandatory-data-retention/germany (search for dresden) And in a case of luxury car arsons: http://www.businessinsider.com/berlin-arson-cell-phones-2012... So the only new thing here is that the protesters got notified.

Anti-Nazi protestors? Or Nazi protestors? I'm confused by this, it was my impressing that being a nazi (neo-nazi) sympathizer in Germany was illegal in the first place. Seems like a weird group to be angry about if they are Anti-Nazi protestors as the page claims.

Is that incorrect?

Re: “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

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Post by JetSpiegel »

pessimizer wrote: post #70
f_salmon wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is only 1 real solution: Put your cell phone in flight mode and use it exclusively as a PDA/music player/etc. Let people contact you on a landline and email - more than enough.

Or rather, buy a PDA/music player rather than a phone.

Where can I buy one of those? Haven't seen an MP3 player or a PDA for sale in ages.

Re: “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

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Post by ItendToDisagree »

spindritf wrote: post #45
higherpurpose wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. When they use a megaphone they don't know who the people are, as they are telling them to disperse. Now they have exact lists of who participated. Every person's name is in that list. They can target them individually one by one, home by home, if the revolution fails to overthrow the government, now. Also, when you build authoritarian systems, they are going to be used by authoritarians, sooner or later.…

When they use a megaphone they don't know who the people are Of course they do. Communists had been kicking people out of universities, withholding passports from protesters, and organizing mass internments back in the 80s and before. They'd take pictures and ask around the opposition circles. Or arrest a few people and make them give up the rest. Not to mention willing, paid, or coerced informers planted in the invi…

Communists had been kicking people out of universities, withholding passports from protesters, and organizing mass internments back in the 80s and before.

The same as their counterparts in Capitalist Democratic America of the same time period.

The technology and the ideological bent are both irrelevant I'd say. With the exception that technology has just made the process a whole lot easier and has greater potential for abuse. All the old things are true, but now there are new, faster, more advanced methods to use!

Re: “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

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Post by nicolethenerd »

pessimizer wrote: post #70
f_salmon wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is only 1 real solution: Put your cell phone in flight mode and use it exclusively as a PDA/music player/etc. Let people contact you on a landline and email - more than enough.

Or rather, buy a PDA/music player rather than a phone.

@JetSpiegel http://www.apple.com/ipod-touch/

Re: “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

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Post by ck2 »

Trufa wrote: post #50
ck2 wrote: post #5

Well at least they notify first. US police would just start beating you and throwing you into pens, if you are lucky you won't get coated in pepper spray or hit by a sound cannon. Watch the DNC and RNC conventions next year for examples with their multi-million dollar taxpayer funded "security". But I guess this indicates police everywhere can now just record the phone numbers of everyone in the area to mark people f…

I'm sorry, but it's cute when Americans think they have it worse.

I think it's "cute" when people in other countries can actually fight the police.

If there was even the smallest "attack" on police in the US, every person at the riot would be dead, beaten and imprisoned, or hunted down, which is why this never happens fortunately.

Re: “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

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Post by kybernetyk »

ItendToDisagree wrote: post #72
kybernetyk wrote: post #14

German police have been doing this for some time already with anti-nazi protesters: https://www.eff.org/issues/mandatory-data-retention/germany (search for dresden) And in a case of luxury car arsons: http://www.businessinsider.com/berlin-arson-cell-phones-2012... So the only new thing here is that the protesters got notified.

Anti-Nazi protestors? Or Nazi protestors? I'm confused by this, it was my impressing that being a nazi (neo-nazi) sympathizer in Germany was illegal in the first place. Seems like a weird group to be angry about if they are Anti-Nazi protestors as the page claims. Is that incorrect?

Anti-Nazi.

There's some light(?) political right bias in some parts of the German police.

I'm not saying that german cops generally are nazi sympathisers but you're more likely to meet a right leaning cop than a leftist one.

Re: “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

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Post by ihsw »

Trufa wrote: post #50
ck2 wrote: post #5

Well at least they notify first. US police would just start beating you and throwing you into pens, if you are lucky you won't get coated in pepper spray or hit by a sound cannon. Watch the DNC and RNC conventions next year for examples with their multi-million dollar taxpayer funded "security". But I guess this indicates police everywhere can now just record the phone numbers of everyone in the area to mark people f…

I'm sorry, but it's cute when Americans think they have it worse.

The fear is that the rate at which escalation occurs is tightening significantly, especially with regards to the mobilization of a civilian populace.

It stands to reason that the rate at which escalation occurs directly correlates with the usage of violence by a government, and that the correlation is with the rate of escalation rather than the maximum level of tension.

Or, more to the point, the level of violence applied by a government depends on how quickly shit hits the fan rather than how badly of a mess there is.

If shit hits the fan in America, it will hit it very quickly.

Re: “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

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Post by mrev19 »

nodata wrote: post #63

"Always leave a way out, unless you really want to find out how hard a man can fight when he's nothing to lose." (The Wheel of Time) The reddit thread has a lot of good comments actually: http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1vtpa8/dear_subsc...

that idea comes from art of war
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