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Microsoft's Must-Have List for Windows 9

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Re: Microsoft's Must-Have List for Windows 9

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The "miserable counter-productive "ribbon" interface on Microsoft Word" was the result of a lot of actual user testing. I could understand people disliking it just because it was new, but it's been years now... How long does it take people to realize a better interface is more productive? Edit: oh I just noticed it's Dvorak. Never mind.

CAN WE GET RID OF ALL CAPS IN MENUS?

Re: Microsoft's Must-Have List for Windows 9

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post #16

The "miserable counter-productive "ribbon" interface on Microsoft Word" was the result of a lot of actual user testing. I could understand people disliking it just because it was new, but it's been years now... How long does it take people to realize a better interface is more productive? Edit: oh I just noticed it's Dvorak. Never mind.

I've been using the ribbon UI in Office frequently for years, and still find its usability inferior to the old menu system. Aside from its poor usability, I dislike the visual clutter of having all the functions visible all the time. Personally, I'm less productive thanks to the ribbon UI.

Well, what do I know... I'm just one data point... probably an outlier.

Re: Microsoft's Must-Have List for Windows 9

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post #31
post #16

The "miserable counter-productive "ribbon" interface on Microsoft Word" was the result of a lot of actual user testing. I could understand people disliking it just because it was new, but it's been years now... How long does it take people to realize a better interface is more productive? Edit: oh I just noticed it's Dvorak. Never mind.

CAN WE GET RID OF ALL CAPS IN MENUS?

All caps is yet another poor choice. Microsoft seems to have a knack for deteriorating as many things as it improves in each new version of Office or Windows.

Re: Microsoft's Must-Have List for Windows 9

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post #16

The "miserable counter-productive "ribbon" interface on Microsoft Word" was the result of a lot of actual user testing. I could understand people disliking it just because it was new, but it's been years now... How long does it take people to realize a better interface is more productive? Edit: oh I just noticed it's Dvorak. Never mind.

I know, I am a dinosaur that forgot to die but... you'll take Office 2007 from my cold dead hands. My wife, however, left it because it doesn't open newer Word formats; she uses OpenOffice.

I really still didn't get the "better" on the Ribbon interface.

Re: Microsoft's Must-Have List for Windows 9

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post #32
post #16

The "miserable counter-productive "ribbon" interface on Microsoft Word" was the result of a lot of actual user testing. I could understand people disliking it just because it was new, but it's been years now... How long does it take people to realize a better interface is more productive? Edit: oh I just noticed it's Dvorak. Never mind.

I've been using the ribbon UI in Office frequently for years, and still find its usability inferior to the old menu system. Aside from its poor usability, I dislike the visual clutter of having all the functions visible all the time. Personally, I'm less productive thanks to the ribbon UI. Well, what do I know... I'm just one data point... probably an outlier.

You know you can disable the ribbon so it's not shown unless you click the "drop" it like you would a menu, right?

Re: Microsoft's Must-Have List for Windows 9

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post #16

The "miserable counter-productive "ribbon" interface on Microsoft Word" was the result of a lot of actual user testing. I could understand people disliking it just because it was new, but it's been years now... How long does it take people to realize a better interface is more productive? Edit: oh I just noticed it's Dvorak. Never mind.

This is pretty much my exact reaction to the article. That was the exact line that gave me pause, then I looked up at the byline and saw Dvorak's name. I do find his pining for the failed WinFS particularly odd, though. It's something that was pretty much intended to back up the kind of anti-desktop model he's complaining about.

I feel so much better now, I did the same thing. It's such a weird list, too. Doesn't he know about putting more than one app on the screen in Windows 8.1?

Re: Microsoft's Must-Have List for Windows 9

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A nice rant from John C. Dvorak. First though surely MS have to work out what a Windows PC is for in 2014 and beyond. (I accept their true response would be something like "make money on every PC sold like we always did"). Chromebooks have demonstrated a minimalist PC for our age. Now what value can Windows deliver on top of that? I think that is difficult to answer from a consumer's point of view. There might be a b…

Ms Office, really. Take that away and businesses will move to other OSes. Everybody is tired of the constant poor quality of Microsoft products.

I've made this argument before, but I've always found Microsoft's recent obsession with killing the desktop as hugely harmful to their own business.

The fact is, Microsoft has seen this future coming for some time. They got themselves into antitrust trouble for going after Netscape and Java so aggressively in the 90s because they were afraid of OSes becoming commodity software.

So, how have they reacted to a world where operating systems are increasingly commodity software? By throwing their competitive advantages in their bread and butter market -- the enterprise -- out the window (no pun intended).

Applications have to be rewritten to run on Metro (and thus the cheap RT devices they so desperately want to compete with the iPad), central management of RT devices is not any real improvement over other devices, and whereas in the past they made the mistake of trying to shoehorn a desktop OS onto a touch device (e.g., XP Tablet Edition), now they've gone the complete opposite direction and tried to make a touch-centric interface designed for small screens in a world where 24-27" displays aren't uncommon.

While Microsoft needed to do something to stay relevant, they've so badly mismanaged the transition that I think the end result is going to be an acceleration in line of business applications moving to web applications that run anywhere. Again, that's something that's already happening, but the entire W8/RT thing has done Microsoft absolutely no favors.

Re: Microsoft's Must-Have List for Windows 9

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Rarely would I agree with Dvorak, but his conclusions here aren't too far wrong.

If you live with a Chrome OS device and Windows machines rapidly the Windows machines get relegated to "legacy apps only" status (this coming from someone that really doesn't like the overall Google direction). MS need to face the fact they've lost the client war, and focus on their true killer apps of Excel and Exchange. Exchange should be the core of their business, not Windows.

Re: Microsoft's Must-Have List for Windows 9

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Allow me to take this opportunity to address something related to a minor point from the article: >To me an app is a small bit of code for an iPhone to do something cute. Are we going to call the massive SAP suite an "app?" Lately I've been hearing many people complain about "serious" desktop applications being called "apps". Do you think this is a valid complaint? (Myself, I'm not sure; I won't disclose my reasoning…

Depends on who's talking.

Amongst developers, using the word 'app' to describe any kind of software seems like the navy referring to everything as a 'boat'. Using more specific words improves the conversation and our thought processes.

But when talking with end users, it seems to make sense to classify their system into 'Apps' and 'files'. The average user still gets confused by the difference between Windows, Word and a Word Document. If saying "Apps are things you find in an App Store" helps end users be more effective with their computers, then it makes sense.

Re: Microsoft's Must-Have List for Windows 9

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I think they could avoid the Start Menu. What do you want from the start menu? The ability to launch and search for programs. Launch is on the Metro screen now - that's covered. A full-screen start menu like the Metro desktop is fine - the start-menu kept growing absurdly anyways. I think Metro could be made to work if you made sure it was operable with a mouse - that is, no auto-hiding, no gestures. Give me a single…

>I think Metro could be made to work if you made sure it was operable with a mouse - that is, no auto-hiding, no gestures. Give me a single, consistent always-visible taskbar instead of schizophrenia and that "charms" crap, and on-screen always-visible buttons to launch an app-search-bar or to hit up the I can live with this on the desktop, but what's particularly insane is they went with this same interface for Serv…

I just generally despise gesture based interaction, but Metro makes some sense on Windows Server. Strip away the gestures and leave just the tiles could be one way to go on the server. Normally you just login to do a quick modification and having the server tools right on the tile desktop makes it pretty easy to find.
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