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Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley

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The only place that a member of the public can get a PPW in the UK is Northern Ireland.

yes and there was a huge fuss when they put the BT logo on the car park passes.

Two who ever voted me down around 20% of my ex coworkers I know in BT from NI had close family members killed by terrorists in the troubles.

Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley

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Meanwhile, Kiev is under siege by a REAL threat, and children in Africa are starving. Every single one of these "demonstrators" seeking to prevent people from working, harassing them, and destroying their personal property needs to seriously rethink their priorities in life.

By your logic, you should be in Africa RIGHT NOW distributing food to children instead of whining on HN. So, why are you waiting to book your tickets? Aren't you thinking about your priorities in life? That something bad is happening somewhere else in the world doesn't mean you can't spend effort on something close to you.

It's more about perspective, not priorities. For example. I think the citizens of Detroit would probably kill to have the sort of problems that San Francisco currently has. Low unemployment, high rents/real estate prices (yes, these suck, but so does miles of blighted and unmaintained housing and a bankrupt city government) and a youthful and thriving industry would make San Francisco the envy of a lot of cities.

Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley

#73
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Excellent. If engineers and technologists refuse to take personal political and ethical responsibility for the future they help build, they need to be reminded to do so. We need more of this.

Who says they're not?

I'm fairly sure that the correct approach to effecting political and ethical change is not harassing employees of tech firms in this way.

Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I where a Googler working in SF id have to start seriously thinking about getting a PPW license. PPW is short hand for the Uk licence to carry a gun for personal protection - and yes there are tech companies that do have staff that do that.

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If you are not trained in self defense and how to use a gun to defend your life maybe you shouldn't be carrying one and you also shouldn't be commenting on it like you know what you are talking about.

Why do you assume a gun would be randomly taken out in a tense confrontation?

I can spin this idea as well by saying "What if a few rogue protestors were really pissed off, kicked in your front door and began to beat you with a baseball bat, wouldn't that be a great time to have some leverage to protect your life?"

Or what if you were walking your child to school and just one angry protestor twice your size followed you, became increasingly more agitated and decided to smash your head into the curb.

It's all relative to how you phrase it.

[EDIT] And apparently "hbags" found this comment really insulting for some reason and thinks I'm nuts for demonstrating an alternative way to phrase a situation... and I'm the unstable one...ok.

Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley

#76
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they through Iraq war is a good idea and support surveillance state? I do not understand what SF issue is really about, but it seems to be local problem unrelated to international or security politic.

The text is TFA is strongly anti-surveillance state.

In all honesty, I found TFA extremely hard to read. It is almost as if the text would be random generated. Something about that style made my brain pick up parts, maybe because parts make sense while whole paragraphs make much less sense.

So, I missed the anti-surveillance state aspect. My bad.

Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley

#77
Well, if this isn't an incentive for Google devs to get together and make a gated community together completely cut off from other people, I don't know what is.

Not only that, it certainly won't endear this group's ideals to Googlers, while in fact they may have value.

Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley

#78
post #44

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Why is it that you think because someone has a gun they are incapable of acting rationally? If I were in the above situation I would not draw my gun with out feeling that there was a real threat to my life or property. And in that case I would rather have a gun than not have a gun.

Recommending gun ownership in response to non-violent protest seems sub-optimal.

Perhaps a gun is a useful tool in that kind of situation, but surely there's a bunch of other conflict de-escalation stuff that can be learnt first.

Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley

#79
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post #30

Excellent. If engineers and technologists refuse to take personal political and ethical responsibility for the future they help build, they need to be reminded to do so. We need more of this.

^^ left-wing degeneracy for all to see. popcorn

smiles you think I coming at this from a right-wing perspective lol.

Re: Demonstration at Home of Google Developer. Google Bus Blocked in Berkeley

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post #66
post #30

Excellent. If engineers and technologists refuse to take personal political and ethical responsibility for the future they help build, they need to be reminded to do so. We need more of this.

I've never felt the need for a down vote button for a comment on Hacker News until now. Yes, we should be ethically aware of the tools and products we build, but this is not the way to go about this! Harassing a man at his home like this is unnecessary and aggressive. Please stop the promotion of individual harassment.

You claim that it's unnecessary and aggressive yet you do not discount its effectiveness. Therefore I'm going to discount your argument. Protest is worth it when its effective. And we're reading about it, so its done its job. Protest need not be cozy, clean, friendly, or Batemanish.
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