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#32Well at least they notify first. US police would just start beating you and throwing you into pens, if you are lucky you won't get coated in pepper spray or hit by a sound cannon. Watch the DNC and RNC conventions next year for examples with their multi-million dollar taxpayer funded "security". But I guess this indicates police everywhere can now just record the phone numbers of everyone in the area to mark people f…
I do not seem to recall reading stories about mass incarcerations at OWS or similar pseudo-protest spots.
I do agree that the conventions should not be afforded public protection, however those two conventions are an extension of the ruling party. The one percent are more than willing to have us foot their bills.
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#33Well at least they notify first. US police would just start beating you and throwing you into pens, if you are lucky you won't get coated in pepper spray or hit by a sound cannon. Watch the DNC and RNC conventions next year for examples with their multi-million dollar taxpayer funded "security". But I guess this indicates police everywhere can now just record the phone numbers of everyone in the area to mark people f…
For those who (like me, until recently) don't know about this amazing feature of democracy in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone
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#34Well at least they notify first. US police would just start beating you and throwing you into pens, if you are lucky you won't get coated in pepper spray or hit by a sound cannon. Watch the DNC and RNC conventions next year for examples with their multi-million dollar taxpayer funded "security". But I guess this indicates police everywhere can now just record the phone numbers of everyone in the area to mark people f…
It was a post-notification that used historical geo-information like who was in a particular cell tower's coverage area. It only came out before the law enacted to counter what is going on kicked in. A man was shot and killed a few hours ago by Kiev police[1]. Now an APC is deployed[2] while both police[3] and protestors[4] trade Molotovs. Here is a live feed of the scene, which is essentially an on-going street batt…
Wow, currently there are fires made by protesters. Not sure if the police is on the other side receiving the smoke from the fire.
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#35This is just a cellular version of a guy with a megaphone calling on people to disperse. BTS is the megaphone. The problem is not in the technology. It isn't even all that useful to the regime. They already know where the protesters are. The problem, as always, is in the baton they hold in the other hand.
I disagree. When they use a megaphone they don't know who the people are, as they are telling them to disperse. Now they have exact lists of who participated. Every person's name is in that list. They can target them individually one by one, home by home, if the revolution fails to overthrow the government, now.
Also, when you build authoritarian systems, they are going to be used by authoritarians, sooner or later. It's like saying it's ok to have a censorship infrastructure, like the Great Firewall, as long as it's not owned by the people with "batons in their hands", sort of speak.
Yeah, except that once you have a system that is an authoritarian's dream, it seems pretty damn hard to stop people like that from abusing it. And ultimately, you can only stop them with revolutions - violent revolutions, in most cases. I'd rather people wouldn't have to go that far to not be oppressed by their government.
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#36"To a surrounded enemy, you must leave a way of escape"
* Sun Tzu(544-496 BC), The art of war.
>This does not mean that the enemy is to be allowed to escape. The object, as Tu Mu puts it, is "to make him believe that there is a road to safety, and thus prevent his fighting with the courage of despair." Tu Mu adds pleasantly: "After that, you may crush him."
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
It was a post-notification that used historical geo-information like who was in a particular cell tower's coverage area. It only came out before the law enacted to counter what is going on kicked in. A man was shot and killed a few hours ago by Kiev police[1]. Now an APC is deployed[2] while both police[3] and protestors[4] trade Molotovs. Here is a live feed of the scene, which is essentially an on-going street batt…
Wow, currently there are fires made by protesters. Not sure if the police is on the other side receiving the smoke from the fire. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrZcAsPKK74
It's probably more to stop the police from moving in a line than to smoke them out.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
> police everywhere can now just record the phone numbers I remember that the dutch police some years ago already used so called "sms-bombs" to contact mobile phone subscribers that were around a crime scene months before. It is simply inherent in the technology. You wear a mobile phone? (not even smart ) So you are traceable with all consequences. The solution? In any case not technical in nature. We will see.
My friend (I don't know him in person, we work together remotely) told me that he has 3 cell phones: one at home, one at the work-place and one always turned-off in his car (for emergency). He doesn't wear a cell phone with him. When someone wants to contact him he/she calls him on one of his home/work phones judging from the day time, if he doesn't answer the call he calls back when he reaches home/work place and se…
Or you could just, you know, not carry a radio-transmitter on you while committing some possibly illegal/disruptive activity?
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#39Well at least they notify first. US police would just start beating you and throwing you into pens, if you are lucky you won't get coated in pepper spray or hit by a sound cannon. Watch the DNC and RNC conventions next year for examples with their multi-million dollar taxpayer funded "security". But I guess this indicates police everywhere can now just record the phone numbers of everyone in the area to mark people f…
> police everywhere can now just record the phone numbers I remember that the dutch police some years ago already used so called "sms-bombs" to contact mobile phone subscribers that were around a crime scene months before. It is simply inherent in the technology. You wear a mobile phone? (not even smart ) So you are traceable with all consequences. The solution? In any case not technical in nature. We will see.
It can be technical in nature, but the society needs to request it from the carriers and also the government to allow them to have such high security in place, and not allow them to wiretap and have access to everything. When the government says "but we need access to everything to catch a criminal". The society must respond "Oh yeah? Well screw you - I think my privacy is more important, and I want better end-to-end security for my conversations and metadata".
The solution can be political, too, and it would certainly help, but I think it's a lot less sustainable from government to government.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
> police everywhere can now just record the phone numbers I remember that the dutch police some years ago already used so called "sms-bombs" to contact mobile phone subscribers that were around a crime scene months before. It is simply inherent in the technology. You wear a mobile phone? (not even smart ) So you are traceable with all consequences. The solution? In any case not technical in nature. We will see.
There is only 1 real solution: Put your cell phone in flight mode and use it exclusively as a PDA/music player/etc. Let people contact you on a landline and email - more than enough.
I'm pretty sure this doesn't work. i.e. even in flight mode, the baseband processor is still powered and will passively listen for cell-tower requests, so presumably it can still be told to wake up?
I know its true of phones that are "off" without the battery removed - stands to reason it applies in flight mode too.