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Re: Romanian saves OpenBSD?

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"the Microsofts, Apples, and Oracles of the world that happily vacuum up their code may not be the there in their time of need"... What about the Linux distro's that didn't lift a finger but continue to ship OpenSSH? Its that kind of attitude that make working with the OS community hard. Someone will bad mouth your involvement even when you are doing the right thing in other area's. Did anyone even approach those com…

You should definitely differentiate between Linux distros and companies that make their money with a distro.

Because unlike RedHat and Ubuntu, practically all the other Linux distros out there have little cash and little manpower to spare. The developers of those distros might contribute to keeping OpenSSH alive, should OpenBSD go under, but they are unlikely to tax their own, scarce resources to keep OpenBSD as such alive.

Re: Romanian saves OpenBSD?

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post #17

What is the relationship between OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and NetBSD? And why would one choose one of those over Linux? Edit: Here's a link I just found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BSD_operating_sys... And one more: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/explaining-bsd/compa...

I've used OpenBSD on and off for years, and have even donated to the project, but I personally use Linux (Debian or Arch Linux) these days.

Specifically influencing my decision is that OpenBSD has issues on my current computer. Wireless networking drops after a certain amount of inactivity and with the most recent release, the mouse keeps disconnecting with a "wsmouse0 detached" warning.

More generally, OpenBSD has always felt slower to me than Linux on the same hardware. It does not have a modern journaled file system and OpenBSD faces a free Unix software ecosystem that increasingly Linux specific.

All that said, OpenBSD gets so much right. They care about security and documentation. They care about creating a good version of Unix. They care about software freedom. I could never fault someone for choosing it.

Re: Romanian saves OpenBSD?

#63

"the Microsofts, Apples, and Oracles of the world that happily vacuum up their code may not be the there in their time of need"... What about the Linux distro's that didn't lift a finger but continue to ship OpenSSH? Its that kind of attitude that make working with the OS community hard. Someone will bad mouth your involvement even when you are doing the right thing in other area's. Did anyone even approach those com…

You should definitely differentiate between Linux distros and companies that make their money with a distro. Because unlike RedHat and Ubuntu, practically all the other Linux distros out there have little cash and little manpower to spare. The developers of those distros might contribute to keeping OpenSSH alive, should OpenBSD go under, but they are unlikely to tax their own, scarce resources to keep OpenBSD as such…

You are right. Thanks for the clarification.

Re: Romanian saves OpenBSD?

#64
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The slightly over-simplified version goes like this: OpenBSD is for firewalls, specialized routers, traffic management, and other internet-facing security applications. FreeBSD is a reasonable general-purpose server BSD. It was among the first to have support for "really big" filesystems, but Linux has since caught up a bit. ZFS on FreeBSD is pretty rock-solid though. NetBSD is intended to run on everything. Even toa…

The desktop experience on Linux has actually got worse over the last few years though, at least for me, to the point that I'm seriously considering switching back to Windows. There's just too many regressions in fundamental things like audio support. I dread to think what the PulseAudio development methodology would bring to init-land, where bugs and crashes have a much bigger impact. (Did you know that there's no su…

pulse-audio has been a mess from the beginning.

Re: Romanian saves OpenBSD?

#65
post #43

I doubt he'd be willing to keep it up for more then a year but that still is a lot of help. Personally i think the way OpenBSD asked for help was kind of wrong. They just completely ignored the little each community member can pitch in and went for the big companies. That's how it seems at least from their announcement.

I think it's nicer both for the project as well as the (user) community if they don't have to run a fundraiser every year, with the "we're going to shut down if we can't make this amount" threats. A corp could provide stable funding.

However, if you read the thread, you'll know that they appreciate every little contribution from all individuals. Because when a corp hasn't stepped up, that's all they've got.

Besides, this particular call for help was for funding electricity only. The project still has other expenses, mainly hackathons and some hardware I guess (which people donate every once in a while, thankfully). All individual users' contributions help the project run hackathons. And those who follow the commits & undeadly reports know just how important these hackathons are for the project.

Re: Romanian saves OpenBSD?

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post #26
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux and OSS is still exceptionally popular and well funded. FreeBSD might be a temporary exception. Their funding issues are certainly giving them lots of free press though.

You're missing the point. OpenBSD is the oldest, most popular distribution with a fanatical devotion to clamped down, secure-by-default software. You'd think that people would be more understanding of the need for this now.

Especially with juniperOS/freeBSD routers getting wholesale owned and the ntp DOS attack. OpenBSD devs looked at the shit sandwich that is ntp.org code and rewrote it expecting future problems and they were right.

Re: Romanian saves OpenBSD?

#68
post #17

What is the relationship between OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and NetBSD? And why would one choose one of those over Linux? Edit: Here's a link I just found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BSD_operating_sys... And one more: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/explaining-bsd/compa...

NetBSD and FreeBSD were the original ones derived from BSD. OpenBSD forked from NetBSD. DragonflyBSD forked from FreeBSD. The forks are the only ones that are interesting. You use openbsd for firewalls, routers, loadbalancers, etc and dragonflybsd for servers.

Re: Romanian saves OpenBSD?

#69
post #17

What is the relationship between OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and NetBSD? And why would one choose one of those over Linux? Edit: Here's a link I just found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BSD_operating_sys... And one more: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/explaining-bsd/compa...

> What is the relationship between OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and NetBSD? > > And why would one choose one of those over Linux?

The BSDs each are a complete system (as opposed to just a kernel) so if you rephrase your question like "why would one choose one of those over Debian, or Ubuntu, or RHEL, or Slackware, or Gentoo, or Arch...", then maybe you begin to see some parallels.

There are all kinds of reasons that make people prefer one Linux distro over another, and similar reasoning would apply to the BSDs. However, the differences between the BSDs tend to be larger than the differences between select two Linux distros.

Just to give you a glimpse of my personal reasons for using OpenBSD (both on notebook/desktop as well as on servers), it's probably got something to do with the 30 years of evolution and turd polishing that has resulted in a really really consistent and well integrated system. The OS is reasonably simple, requires little configuration & maintenance, it's well documented, it does what I want and it does what I expect it to do. It's predictable. It's easy to live with. It helps that everything is documented in a man page, and the same group of developers is in charge of integrating and documenting everything (even if not all parts of the system originate from the OpenBSD project).

It's hard to be more specific than this without pointing at the thousand little things it does right but which you don't notice until you're accustomed to them and then try any distribution of Linux where everything feels a little bit "off", everything is constantly changing (how many init systems and audio systems and daemons and configs and package managers have been invented or re-imagined beyond recognition in the past 10-15 years?), documentation is spotty, and all these groups of developers with different backgrounds and different goals make their own different things that aren't integrate in a way that masks all these differences..

OpenBSD is very consistent, and remains "Unixy". It hasn't been influenced by ex-Windows users trying to turn it into a Windowsy desktop OS, or by ex-Windows enterprise users trying to turn it into a windowsy enterprise server, or by corps turning it into an embedded router/PoS/whatever OS, or by hipsters trying to turn it into a next gen smartphone OS, or by hipsters trying to turn it into a cool must have Awesome OS X desktop, or by overzealous programmers trying to turn every little thing into a not-so-little programmable & scriptable monster that communicates with other programmable & scriptable monsters so (in theory) the thing can be made to do anything and everything (if you can program it and it's overcomplicated design & flaws allow for it...).

That's not to say it cannot be tasked with much of the tasks people use any other OS to complete; it just does things in a rather specific way. If you happen to like a traditional Unixy way, then OpenBSD is a good choice. I cannot speak of the other BSDs because I haven't used them, but I hear their strengths are quite different.

Oh, and it's Free.

Re: Romanian saves OpenBSD?

#70
post #27

Does anyone have an idea how they are spending $20 000 on electricity?

They have these "computer" things that actually use electricity just to work. Worst of all, they produce heat, so then they have to use this "air conditioning" machine to make it cool again. Crazy stuff.
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